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Re: File picker meme

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Post by skinkestek »

xfer wrote: post #63
dublin wrote: post #32

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I have never seen an ad in Windows, period. (And for that matter, I've never changed any setting to achieve that. Perhaps this is because as a Surface user, I get Win10 Pro installed by default?) By the way, try using a pen or touch as a meaningfully usable interface on Linux (or Mac)... I'll never buy another computer that doesn't support both rich pen and touch - THAT'S a UI improvement that has changed my life, an…

> try using a pen or touch as a meaningfully usable interface Have you tried doing that on windows? No a pen is not supposed to be used for scrolling on a pc, it's not a smartphone: https://github.com/TheJoeFin/Windows10-Community/issues/17 I have seen windows ads on pro/enterprise on the lock screen even.

Yeah, they had ads for a mmo game or something on the lock screen of my Professional licensed machine and always ads for Candy Crush in the menu as well as trying to finally outcompete Google in scammy pushing of browser for the first time in a decade.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by 29athrowaway »

swiley wrote: post #12
29athrowaway wrote: post #11

At least we don't have to see ads.

I’ll take good faith bugs and missing features over the pathological psycho warfare in closed software any day of the week.

There is cool program for people like you, it is called Bonzibuddy. Proprietary software is guaranteed to be ethical and respectful of your privacy. In part, because the opaqueness creates an incentive for people to write better, more secure software.

I would also much rather consume software made by people that spend 99% of their time waiting for the weekend, than from people that write software out of self-motivation and enjoyment.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

TLLtchvL8KZ wrote: post #85
BrightGlow wrote: post #56

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>What concerns me is the hypocrisy of the modern GNOME team and how little they listen to the actual community using their DE. Please remember: GNOME is a loosely connected group of volunteers all working on what they want to work on. If one person says they're prioritizing something and another person says they're going to do something else, that's not hypocrisy, that's just a difference of opinion. I know it may be…

Many in charge seem to employed by Red Hat. Really makes you go "Hmmm...".

Why? Red Hat employees are not different from any other volunteer.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

jchw wrote: post #80
BrightGlow wrote: post #74

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>applications can continue to do what they’ve done for nearly 30 years and rely on system title bars. This will work everywhere This isn't true, some X11 window managers don't draw any title bars. Anyway this isn't a problem if you link against GTK or libdecor. Yeah it's broken if you're trying to work against the system and do things in the inconsistent way that they were done in X11, so... don't do that?

Does libdecor even support XDG Decoration? If not, no thanks. Sorry, but if you create a brand new problem for us to all deal with I expect you to have a solution too. If it looks or feels non-native on KDE it’s still broken… And telling me all Linux apps they should link against GTK would make me angry if it wasn’t so stupid. P.S. edit: I’d just to like to add: - Please don’t take my harsh tone too personally. I’m n…

>Does libdecor even support XDG Decoration?

It does, that was the first thing added. I wouldn't suggest using xdg-decoration though as it will mostly guarantee that your apps don't match the decorations.

>And telling me all Linux apps they should link against GTK would make me angry if it wasn’t so stupid.

If you want GTK decorations, then you should link against GTK. Not sure why you would think that's stupid or would make you angry, please elaborate. If you don't want to use compile time linkage then you can use dlopen, that's what libdecor does under the hood.

>KDE does not appear to be embodying the CSD initiative

This isn't entirely true, some KDE apps have actually started to use client-side decorations.

>which is actually Good for GNOME users, since KDE apps will likely feel a ton more native in GNOME as a result

I don't think so, KDE apps will never feel native in GNOME as they're built for a different HIG. Using non-matching decorations will actually make it worse because now the application is following two separate and incompatible HIGs. That's a good way to ensure you get conflicting gestures/keybinds, inconsistent theming, and just a general lack of consistency.

>what we as app developers really want is one solution that gives us fully native basic window borders everywhere

I don't want that when I'm making apps. If I'm making a GTK app then I would expect to get the GTK borders. If I'm making a Qt app then I would expect to get the Qt borders. And so on.

>And to do that, we need a solution that starts from the common ground (xdg-decoration) then goes into special cases (GNOME, Weston, etc.)

This isn't correct, xdg-decoration is not the common ground. The common ground would be drawing your own decorations because that's the way any Wayland server works by default. Xdg-decoration is an optional extension that even with its presence doesn't guarantee you will get the borders that you want.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by pseudalopex »

jdub wrote: post #82
weberer wrote: post #81

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>Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of ... a representative audience of users >The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests What are you basing this on? That sounds incredibly dismissive. I think the core of the issue is that you're so out of touch with your users, that you're mistaking a highly requested feature with hostility. Maybe a…

Everyone knows that a richer file chooser is a desirable, highly requested feature and has been for years. There's no question about that, and no one's being dismissive about that. Actually fixing it is a whole other matter. Genuine user requests are not made in bad faith. Stupid internet abuse is bad faith. Like I said: This issue, and others like it, mostly comes up as thoughtless abuse, not genuine user requests.…

They're trying to get you to substantiate your claim it's almost never raised in good faith. It's an extraordinary claim.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

weberer wrote: post #81
jdub wrote: post #79

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Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of developers or even a representative audience of users. Yes, it's a known issue, but there are trade-offs and a lot of work involved. Most people just aren't aware of the complexity involved in file chooser implementations and APIs. The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests. That doesn't mean it's…

>Votes in a bug tracker don't represent the priorities of ... a representative audience of users >The file chooser issue is more often raised in the context of internet abuse than good faith user requests What are you basing this on? That sounds incredibly dismissive. I think the core of the issue is that you're so out of touch with your users, that you're mistaking a highly requested feature with hostility. Maybe a…

>What are you basing this on?

>There is no conspiracy that there are a bunch of people out there that want to give you a bunch of work to do just to mess with you. 100% of these people are honestly affected by the issue and would like it resolved.

I don't know if you noticed, but the wiki article appears to include instructions for 4chan users on how to use this issue to troll and rile up Linux users. If you include whoever wrote that article and whichever 4chan users have read it then it's probably a good deal less than 100%. And honestly I've seen this trolling on reddit and hacker news pop up before several times before, almost every time the file chooser gets mentioned it seems to be a result of some 4chan trolling. Of course the issue is going to get locked if it's getting brigaded by 4chan trolls. If people honestly wanted to get it resolved, they would have written a merge request for it.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by BrightGlow »

TLLtchvL8KZ wrote: post #84
Gualdrapo wrote: post #43

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Alas it does not happen only on GNOME. For example, mentioning how irrational is that to this day GIMP has no dedicated tool to draw basic geometric shapes (rectangles, ovals) as every other image editor does, even the most basic ones, can get you a lecture about how GIMP is free software, its lack of funding, that (allegedly) those tools are irrelevant and go against their philosophy, downvotes, bans...

GIMP is crap, the reason they make up all those excuses is because they have nothing better than it. The majority of them talking online seem to think GIMP is a superior image manipulation tool than Photoshop on a technical level despite the fact gimp cannot even simply or reliably draw a circle.

Your comment's really negative and disrespectful, please don't do that. If your test for drawing programs is "makes it simple to draw a circle" than Microsoft Paint would be better than both of them.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

Gualdrapo wrote: post #43
forgotpwd16 wrote: post #6

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This meme isn't a limited case and it's representative of the mindset that GNOME has. Extremely focused in one "vision" disregarding the opinions and issues of users.

Alas it does not happen only on GNOME. For example, mentioning how irrational is that to this day GIMP has no dedicated tool to draw basic geometric shapes (rectangles, ovals) as every other image editor does, even the most basic ones, can get you a lecture about how GIMP is free software, its lack of funding, that (allegedly) those tools are irrelevant and go against their philosophy, downvotes, bans...

I'll disagree on that. GIMP has no dedicated tool to draw basic geometric shapes because it's an image editor, not a painting tool. For its devs to add such a tool will not be hard because GIMP can already do it in a more advanced way by stroking selection. If anyone wants to try: make a new image > rectangle/ellipse selection (shortcuts R/E) > press / (in keyboard) > write some of and enter on "Stroke selection..." > enter. If there's a problem with GIMP, it's being pretty complicated (then again it's an advanced program), perhaps more than its competitors.

Re: File picker meme

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Post by maccolgan »

dsr_ wrote: post #57
zanc wrote: post #52

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>Linux desktops Linux is a kernel.

... and desktops running operating systems with a Linux kernel are called Linux desktops when it doesn't matter much which distribution is being discussed.

If you run Android in desktop mode, would that be considered a Linux desktop?

Re: File picker meme

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Post by Cloudef »

BrightGlow wrote: post #70
Cloudef wrote: post #62

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I get why they invented this for flatpak (Even though it still could be done with processes and namespaces), but my original point was wondering why they did not originally use fork, exec and pipe.

Because the goal was to make an API that works the same both inside the sandbox and outside the sandbox. Edit: It wouldn't work with just processes and namespaces because you need a way to talk to a resource with a privilege level above the current mount namespace.

Right, the child process can't escape the sandbox. I guess IPC here is the only sane choice.
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