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Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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There still must be some input of energy. From what I understand, the Sabatier reaction is really only viable from an environmental perspective if it is powered by some other non-carbon energy, such as solar or wind.

And if you have that surplus clean energy, you should spend it powering things that would otherwise be powered with fossil fuels - not trying to offset someone else's emissions. Carbon removal only makes sense in a world where nobody is burning any fossil fuels, and we're trying to lower atmospheric carbon. Lower, not offset.

I accept the argument that offset schemes have difficult practical problems, but at least theoretically “offset” means “lower”. It just means that your application isn’t necessarily reducing carbon. And it kind of makes sense—for an airline to get carbon neutral it would require immense investment in electric flight and decades of research and then more decades of incremental rollout. Instead that money and effort could be spent helping reduce a lot more carbon elsewhere now (e.g., replacing coal power plants with equivalent solar power).

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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Just remember that only the C part makes you lighter as the O2 comes from the air. So based on that number it's 375g/day (edit: it's 273g)

I get 273g/day? C is lighter than O. Also... this is a typical number for a typical lifestyle, I believe it can vary substantially if you exercise a lot. Also... I know nothing about wait loss, but surely a lot of the mass is in water?

Thanks for pointing out that mistake. I think people also breath out quite a bit of water. So total weight loss from breathing will be bigger than the 273g

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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> 1kg of CO2/day which is crazy low if you put it in perspective and see that (gas powered) cars release about 0.2 kg of CO2 ... per kilometer.

That's insane, I didn't realize it was that much. If we could see cars drop carbon turds on the road instead of venting it invisibly in the air we'd all be freaking out right now.

Yep ... that's about two chocolate bars every kilometer ... and that has not really changed too much with newer motor generations as it is mostly a function of how much gas is used.

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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When you invent the internet but forget to register your own domain... oops.

The University of California schools think of themselves as independent entities, independent entities that just happened to all pick the same school colors. berkeley.edu (where "University of CA" is a subtitle), ucla.edu, ucdavis.edu, etc.

No, this isn't the case at all. I attended UCSC (ucsc.edu), and then UCSF (ucsf.edu) and was a postdoc at UCB (berkeley.edu). They are fairly integrated in a lot of ways. The term itself "Berkeley" can be used in context so that people can tell you mean the University, not the city. That's rarer for the other schools.

Also, Berkeley was the first real UC campus.

I think Berkeley has its own bare domain because their name was registered before the UC naming conventions were established. I'm pretty sure it was the first or second name registered. https://bind9.readthedocs.io/en/v9_16_5/history.html

Not sure of that, though- in the old HOSTS.TXT predating DNS, UC Berkeley was called UCB, and the server ucbvax became ucbvax.berkeley.edu.

I think it's funny now they teach classes at Berkeley about stuff (DNS, nuclear energy) and the research was done just 30-70 years ago right on the same spot!

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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The article claims they are already converting CO2 to fuel on the ISS. This process has been TESTED but we aren't using it right now. Article claims: > Known as the “Sabatier reaction” from the late French chemist Paul Sabatier, it’s a process the International Space Station uses to scrub the carbon dioxide from air the astronauts breathe and generate rocket fuel to keep the station in high orbit. Reality: We just sh…

The ISS uses rechargeable zeolite beds for CO2 scrubbing, they don't need a new one frequently, and the fact that we shipped a new one is coincidence. Zeolite is a mineral, you get a bunch of small pellets of it in a bed, and run air over it while cooling it. The CO2 (and H2O) stick to it while everything else goes over it. Once you're at capacity you vent it to space and heat it, the CO2 (and H2O) leave the bed (int…

I don't disagree with anything you said but the article claims they are turning CO2 into fuel which the ISS is NOT doing.

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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That's insane, I didn't realize it was that much. If we could see cars drop carbon turds on the road instead of venting it invisibly in the air we'd all be freaking out right now.

Yep ... that's about two chocolate bars every kilometer ... and that has not really changed too much with newer motor generations as it is mostly a function of how much gas is used.

My current car uses about half of what the previous did though. Old Toyota Avensis 1.6, new Toyota Corolla 1.8 HSD.

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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Title on HN should probably read "University of Cincinnati" rather than UC. Even I, a graduate of University of Cincinnati now first thought "University of California." (Admittedly I live in California now)

That's a good point and actually we usually take the institution's name out of these press release titles. I've done so above now.

Re: Engineers are developing new ways to convert greenhouse gases to fuel

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Pulling it out of the air isn't feasible. What about pulling it right where it's mostly produced (heavy polluting factories or electricity generators).

Capturing it is difficult. It's coming out the end of a turbine or smelter at very high temperatures. You need to cool it and compress it down. Then you need to secure a source of hydrogen. Over 90% of industrial hydrogen comes from steam reforming which emits CO2. So you'd need to build out massive electrolysis plants, and power these plants with carbon-free energy. Finally you'd need to run the Sabatier process, wh…

> You need to cool it

The Sabatier reaction seems to needs heat.

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