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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by superjan »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Finnucane »

everdrive wrote: post #402

Years ago (~2010) I learned that companies sell laptops which can't cool themselves properly. I had an Acer "gaming laptop," which from the factory had fans which didn't sufficiently cool the CPU. After about 2 years of normal use, it cooked its thermal paste, and would shut off under even moderate use / stress. This is obviously a different situation than what's occurring with Dell laptops, but it's not too far afie…

Doesn't seem to be much better for desktops: my wife just bought a Dell PC for gaming, and we have to replace the cpu cooler and case fan because what was supplied was clearly inadequate. Just because Dell wanted to shave a couple bucks off the manufacturing cost.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by l30n4da5 »

pletnes wrote: post #400
ngokevin wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of my Windows laptops in the past would do this in a bag (e.g., Sony and Razor). I'd pin it on Windows, not saying it happens to all Windows laptops but Windows allows it to happen. It knows to sleep when shut, but somehow spins back up in the bag.

Same happened to me with HP and thinkpad laptops.

I know this is not sufficient evidence of the contrary, but my HP Envy 15z x360 (the one with the Ryzen 2500u processor) seems to hibernate as expected with the lid shut. Zero battery usage while hibernating on my desk or in my bag for days at a time.

Granted, this laptop is more than a couple years old at this point, so it is possible it is completely unaffected.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jseliger »

ngokevin wrote: post #395
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

Most of my Windows laptops in the past would do this in a bag (e.g., Sony and Razor). I'd pin it on Windows, not saying it happens to all Windows laptops but Windows allows it to happen. It knows to sleep when shut, but somehow spins back up in the bag.

I primarily use MacOS and just don't understand how this can still be a seemingly common problem in 2021, when most of the world uses laptops. Shouldn't this be a top priority for Microsoft and for vendors?

Apparently it isn't, which may explain why almost every quarter Apple reports year-over-year gains in laptop sales.

If I were the boss at Microsoft, this would become a top priority. Immediately.

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Post by terinjokes »

spijdar wrote: post #405
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

FYI, these computers may lack proper firmware support to deep sleep on Linux as well, and will use s2idle sleep. I believe ARM Macs use the same type of sleep, only with more polished firmware and better vertical integration with the OS.

Can confirm, 9310 (Late 2020, non-2-in-1), only has s2idle. Still "Ubuntu Certified" which, after this laptop, I've learn doesn't mean much.
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