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Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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Outright banning trades will only obscure congressional trading (shell corps, friends/family, etc.) I would prefer a public registry listing all congressional trades. I know this is legally available data, but very difficult to access.

It should follow similar rules to other professions with privileged information like most accountants need to follow

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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And their partners, parents, children, friends? This problem looks unsolvable to me.

When you turn it into a binary "we need to stop them from absolutely sharing any privileged information" or all is lost, it's an unsolvable problem.

Alternatively a few achievable steps could make a large improvement:

- Force them to put everything into a trust that they don't have direct control over for the duration of their term vs. allowing them to make trades and disclosing it eventually.

- Have enforced laws on sharing information, and actually send people to jail a few times a year.

Skew the risk / reward. Let people think on if they want to go to prison.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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And their partners, parents, children, friends? This problem looks unsolvable to me.

They prevent the family of employees of companies that host contests and sweepstakes from participating, don’t they?

And the SEC monitors people's family if they work in a regulated role.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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There are so many loop holes. I mean then they just make a company that does stock trades for them and tell that company what to trade. Or their spouse does the trades instead of them.

Yeah, the spousal loophole is a hard one. Having an elected position restricting a spouse isn't right, but the fact that money can flow freely within a marriage basically annihilates any restrictions.

Other non-marital transactions can be controlled - that's the basis of half the tax system in every country. The moment money leaves a household or arrives in a household, there are laws about the transaction. But within a household? All bets are off.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

#46

And their partners, parents, children, friends? This problem looks unsolvable to me.

If only we had some sort of technology to monitor social networks and large amounts of data...

There is no technology that monitors trades of friends or family outside the US banking system.

Why else are there thousands of companies based in the Cayman Islands? It is to obscure the identity of the traders.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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It's the most blatant example of insider trading. Company insiders might have inside access to a single company. Lawmakers have access to inside information that can affect the entire industry or market. It's a perfect example of how we do have class stratification in society and that rule of law and equality are laughably distant ideas in a sea of hypocrisy.

Good point. Maybe all that’s needed is for better prosecution of insider trading for these guys?

Of course the problem is the power they have to resist or meddle in any prosecution efforts… that’s always the problem with holding the powerful to account, I guess.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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Particularly bad violations have been the Fed presidents making multimillion dollar trades with personal accounts, and Nancy Pelosi’s husband apparently directly trading on privileged information. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/16/fed-chief-powell-orders-ethi... https://fortune.com/2021/07/08/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-hu...

It's widespread, republicans seem to be doing it more though https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/us/politics/david-perdue-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/doj-will-not-charge-sen-rich... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/11/rand-paul... https://tulsaworld.com/news/u-s-sen-jim-inhofe-responds-afte...

Bernie Sanders is worth $3 million and has never worked outside of politics in his entire life.

Maybe that seems like not a lot to the SV types, but it’s far, far more than what most people I know have to show for a lifetime of actually hard work.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-bernie-sanders-210000864...

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

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Outright banning trades will only obscure congressional trading (shell corps, friends/family, etc.) I would prefer a public registry listing all congressional trades. I know this is legally available data, but very difficult to access.

> Outright banning trades will only obscure congressional trading (shell corps, friends/family, etc.) >I would prefer a public registry listing all congressional trades Wouldn't your proposal obscure congressional trading as well, because they want to preserve their alpha by not publishing their trades?

The argument can be made that insider trading isn’t actually a bad thing as long as it’s legal, precisely because allowing that information to trickle into the markets destroys alpha. Anyone who thinks hedge funds aren’t constantly trading on insider information has their head in the sand.

Of course then you have problems where people with private information are incentivized to leak that information, which is bad for national security and other areas where secrecy is needed, but we already have laws protecting that information without adding insider trading to them.

It would need to be studied and to my knowledge no one has done that work yet, but I haven’t seen anyone establish why insider trading is a net bad for society, other than intuitive reasoning.

Re: Many believe it's time to do away with lawmakers making stock trades

#50

Outright banning trades will only obscure congressional trading (shell corps, friends/family, etc.) I would prefer a public registry listing all congressional trades. I know this is legally available data, but very difficult to access.

They should be allowed to go in something like an S&P 500 index fund. But personally I have blackout dates trading my own company stock why don’t they have any restrictions?
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