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China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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Bitcoin wanted to be the world's currency, with a techno goldbug understanding of what money is. That shades a lot of what we think of as crypto. There are a lot of different versions of the idea though. A lot of variety exists in crypto now, and very little is deterministic. I don't want to rule out the positive possibilities, and outlawing is broad brush. The PCB grunted at crypto here. We can do That said, the var…

> with a techno goldbug understanding of what money is I think this isn't emphasized enough. With existing fiat money I have some degree of democratic control over monetary policy. With BTC, critical monetary policy was set by one person and if that monetary policy ever changes it will be decided by a combination of engineers and mining conglomerates. Given how critical these policies are and how ideologically focuse…

I believe you lack understanding of BTC monetary policy. I'm 100% sure you don't think you do though.

BTC is at the point where if you don't have time or want to research what it really is, and only want to believe talking heads and authority figures, no one is going to take the time to explain it to you.

Those days are over, people have moved on and are using it for utility, without permission, how they see fit, whether as a currency or store of value.

Nothing can prevent a BTC transfer to anyone, anywhere, and at anytime. That is why China 'banned' it.

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I won't downplay the environmental consequences of PoW, but the actual reason so many governments are speeding the push against crypto might be related to a future of high inflation and high gov debt. It would be the perfect storm for mainstream crypto adoption.

Current inflation is due to the government “creating money” for the COVID-19 stimulus, the fact that governments can even do that is what’s so good about fiat currency. Bailouts are another benefit. Governments can at will dull or even prevent financial contagion thus preventing another Great Depression. All this has a cost in the form of inflation until the money is reabsorbed of course but it’s better than economic…

Is water torture better than death?

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

Do you really want to ban holding 12 words in your head? Or maybe you meant private keys to remain legal but let's ban cryptographic signatures? What exactly do you want to make illegal?

This is an american-centric view of the law; elsewhere in the world (including europe) judges don't reach silly decisions because a law was imperfectly drafted.

Re: China declares cryptocurrency deals ‘illegal’

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I hope the rest of world follows. There is nothing more volatile than a decentralised crypto currency. The amount of people making a profit from it is less than 5% and energy consumption is beyond acceptable. Crypto as a tech to serve something different is totally fine of course.

I won't downplay the environmental consequences of PoW, but the actual reason so many governments are speeding the push against crypto might be related to a future of high inflation and high gov debt. It would be the perfect storm for mainstream crypto adoption.

Mainstream Crypto is the new year of Linux on the Desktop ;-)

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You probably live in the first world and had never to worry about inflation or politicians/bureaucrats just straight destroying the fiat currency and your wealth in the process. That's why crypto sounds so "wasteful" to you. BTW, if we give the government the power to judge what is a waste of energy and what's not, I can assure you life would be 100% more miserable, to everyone.

Crypto"currencies" are not the only way to store value when an official currency is failing: people who want their savings preserved can get USD, EUR, gold. Crypto *is* volatile and wasteful compared to any of those.

To paraphrase a relatively popular Twitter account ~

Behind every dollar is an unspoken promise that the US Marines will evacuate you middle of the night anywhere in the world if shit hits the fan.

Which has been recently proven to be quite an assumption.

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I won't downplay the environmental consequences of PoW, but the actual reason so many governments are speeding the push against crypto might be related to a future of high inflation and high gov debt. It would be the perfect storm for mainstream crypto adoption.

Nonsense. Why would any sane person move a large part of their assets into something as volatile as crypto? If you want to protect yourself against inflation, buy real estate or equities if your time horizon is long enough. Even fixed income once rates are a bit better. But for the average person please stay clear of crypto!

> buy real estate or equities

Does that logic applies in China? Are real state or equities a protection from volatility on a self proclaimed communist country? What about South America, Lebanon or Turkey?

The incontestable precious and invaluable wisdom of the hacker news poster who potentially lives on US California or some rich western country on a comfortably fat salary.

Every. single. time.

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