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Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by rovr138 »

miohtama wrote: post #20
skissane wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to downvote jokes or non-substantive comments about systemd (although I haven't downvoted any of the comments on this post). Like any other software system, anyone is welcome to question or doubt or disagree with systemd's design decisions. But some people seem to have an almost irrational hatred for it, far beyond what a mere software package calls for. Even if a person making a joke about systemd isn't thems…

Systemd of course has had its share of issues. But a lot of also comes down as natural resistance of change by sysadmins, which is a well documented psychological phenomenom https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2466/09.02.10.CP.1.... … and sysadmins tend to be at the deep end of the spectrum

I was with you at the beginning.

This part just takes away from your argument,

>… and sysadmins tend to be at the deep end of the spectrum

Source?

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by azalemeth »

dafoex wrote: post #16
tempaccnt wrote: post #4

Glad to find Systemd mentioned on HN. Just kidding: systemd is not a kernel module.

I actually like systemd now, thanks to antix

I spent a day tracking down obscure module dependency issues just two days ago because of systemd. It's always a good sign when the thing doesn't work with an After= graphical.target, but did with a multi-user.target and a 2 s sleep before the executable was called. I've got idea why, and found debugging it really obtuse.

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by bayindirh »

mlang23 wrote: post #15
skissane wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to downvote jokes or non-substantive comments about systemd (although I haven't downvoted any of the comments on this post). Like any other software system, anyone is welcome to question or doubt or disagree with systemd's design decisions. But some people seem to have an almost irrational hatred for it, far beyond what a mere software package calls for. Even if a person making a joke about systemd isn't thems…

Finally, cancel culture has a firm grip on Free Software, achievement unlocked!

Flamewars of 90s have called, and reminded that it's way older than the cancel culture.

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by iSnow »

rualca wrote: post #7
tempaccnt wrote: post #4

Glad to find Systemd mentioned on HN. Just kidding: systemd is not a kernel module.

Does anyone know why this comment is being buried? It's clearly a good spirited joke.

I tend to downvote snarky, off-topic jokes here because I want this site to keep a high signal/noise ratio. If you visit the /r/science subreddit, you can see why. The comments used to be excellent, not they are full with lame jokes and anecdotes.

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by kergonath »

rimliu wrote: post #8
rualca wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone know why this comment is being buried? It's clearly a good spirited joke.

HN is not into jokes very much, need to keep that "we are better than reddit" flag high.

There’s a lot of jokes here. Usually a bit more subtle than that, though.

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by bayindirh »

mlang23 wrote: post #26
bayindirh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flamewars of 90s have called, and reminded that it's way older than the cancel culture.

[flagged]

I think discussions about a software project has nothing to do with politics.

HN's dynamics are hard to understand at times, but it's not opaque or chaotic.

Re: The world's worst Linux kernel module

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Post by bayindirh »

miohtama wrote: post #20
skissane wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to downvote jokes or non-substantive comments about systemd (although I haven't downvoted any of the comments on this post). Like any other software system, anyone is welcome to question or doubt or disagree with systemd's design decisions. But some people seem to have an almost irrational hatred for it, far beyond what a mere software package calls for. Even if a person making a joke about systemd isn't thems…

Systemd of course has had its share of issues. But a lot of also comes down as natural resistance of change by sysadmins, which is a well documented psychological phenomenom https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2466/09.02.10.CP.1.... … and sysadmins tend to be at the deep end of the spectrum

> But a lot of also comes down as natural resistance of change by sysadmins...

I find this "meh, you're just being stubborn" labeling is a bit dismissive. Especially when a lengthy technical comment about systemd is replied with the tone of "You just used to old ways eh? Time to freshen your knowledge, hehe".

Today's sysadmin dynamics doesn't allow one to stagnate with old knowledge either. Yes it's very useful, but not eternally. Instead it allows you to build knowledge faster.

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