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Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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I thought you couldn't embed scripts/iframes into a html email?

It is in an attached file. In my case the file is named "Profitability 28388 .htm"

That looks legit.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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I think the spammers (actually scammers) just got smarter since bitcoin scam and crypto locker are profitable. I think they create a “burner” gmail account and first train google spam filters to think that gmail account is valid (short email conversations, not links, etc. for about year). Then they burn the account in few days. And then next one…

I heard that one gang makes/burns 1000+ gmail addressed per day.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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Just made an account to let you know that this specific comment made me check my Promotions tab, which happened to contain… an invitation to schedule a software engineering interview. Would definitely have missed that if I didn’t get bored and read this HN thread midway through my lecture.

Life pro tip: most recruiters can't write emails that look like they came from humans rather than spambots. If you're actively looking for a job, check all your spam folders daily. I can't tell you how many actual job leads have ended up in mine.

Also, recruiters sends large numbers of similar emails so they look like a spammer to the filters. Then if people who get them just mark them a spam rather than deleting or responding, the problem is compounded.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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Just made an account to let you know that this specific comment made me check my Promotions tab, which happened to contain… an invitation to schedule a software engineering interview. Would definitely have missed that if I didn’t get bored and read this HN thread midway through my lecture.

Life pro tip: most recruiters can't write emails that look like they came from humans rather than spambots. If you're actively looking for a job, check all your spam folders daily. I can't tell you how many actual job leads have ended up in mine.

Many recruiters are sending their emails from a system, not writing them by hand. They look they came from a template, because they did.

Add to that that when that recruitment system was implemented, the recruiter probably didn't bother updating/customizing the default templates, making their emails just the same as everyone else's.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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Not sure if you meant political campaign emails specifically or marketing campaign emails in general. The former are some of the absolute worst offenders in that regard, for sure. I try to use unsubscribe links when 1) they exist and 2) the email is from a legit organization that I reasonably believe is actually going to unsubscribe me from something (if not from every place they've copied my address to by now), but…

I share your concerns, but marking spam as spam is the only way to incentivise good behaviour.

If the email is from an organization I have interacted with and it offers unsubscribe, I will use that the first time. If they don’t stop, then they get the spam tag.

If an unsolicited email contains no unsubscribe, that is bad behavior and they get spam tagged immediately.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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I receive a fair amount of legit appearing promotional email from real organizations, but organizations that I have not dealt with. In most cases the recipient appears to be a real person. In one case, I was able to verify the person is real, lives and operates a small business within a couple of hundred kilometers of where I live, and regularly frequents my city. Yet I refuse to use unsubscribe links in those cases…

I have a first.last@gmail.com and get plenty of legitimate promotional emails, one weakly-passworded credit card statement from an Indian bank each month (whose only support is an Indian phone number which I won't call), and occasional photos of "relatives" from across the world. There are about 3 or 4 people around the world with my name in various professions. I could probably do some nice identity theft if I wante…

I also have a first.last@gmail.com address and am continually amazed at the number of people with my name who don’t seem to know their own email address and submit mine for job applications and accounts that they surely wanted to keep.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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Hmm so this is indeed a thing. I operate some email servers and often get spam notifications from, say, Hotmail, and the emails are always legitimate. It's like some people don't bother unsubscribing from lists, they just start reporting it as spam hoping it will go away.

I used to be naive and actually unsubscribe from things but it stopped working about 10 years ago so I haven't bothered since.

If the organization is legitimate, I find it usually works just fine. I usually only get such emails from organizations that I have recently started interacting with and that assume I want their newsletter. A simple unsubscribe fixes that. If I tagged it as spam, it would start to erode the ability of people who want this stuff to get it past the automated filters.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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sort of this: i treated the Promotions tab as a "unsubscribe from these mailing lists ASAP" tab as soon as the category feature came out i get so few of them now i removed all those extra tabs and filters a year ago, but it was pretty useful to get my total inbox as clean as it is now :)

Right, exactly. I want my "promotions" to land square one in my inbox, because then I'm going to deal with them right then and there. Unsubscribe comes first. A filter comes next, if they keep sending.

Gmail has a “report spam and unsubscribe” button which I use liberally.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

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In my case, the spam that manages to evade Gmail's filters contain an image as the body instead of text. Fun fact: Back in 2002 ycombinator founder Paul Graham wrote an article on spam filtering. (See http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html ). I emailed him that his method can be defeated by sending an image of the text, as opposed to the text itself. PG replied and pointed me to this FAQ: http://www.paulgraham.com/spamf…

But I never see images in most emails. They are not loaded unless I decide I want to see them. Those emails are just empty space. If there is no unsubscribe link, they get spam tagged.

Re: Ask HN: Are you also getting extremely obvious spam bypassing Gmail's filters?

#200

For the last year or so I've noticed an increasing amount of my legitimate professional interactions going into my "Promotions" tab in Gmail. The effect of which has been, after discovering a few mishaps of this sort, to now regularly and meticulously go through a massive pile of "Promotions" just to make sure I haven't missed something legitimately urgent or important. Prior to Google's classification errors produci…

The only reliable low maintenance solution is to get your own domain with a catch all mail service.

Then for every email interaction with a 3rd party you make a unique address like amazondotcom3823@yourdomain.com.

You can then just add rules for each incoming mail domain to send them to a junk folder, especially if it was was a one time transaction and subsequent emails are just going to be marketing junk.

It also lets you know who has had their mailing lists compromised as there is virtually zero chance someone would guess the email address like the example above.

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