Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 10:44 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #288

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Epic is very clearly and definitely not agreeing to follow the App Store rules. They are appealing the judgement precisely because they do not agree with the App Store rules. Trying to overturn them is not agreeing to them. Epic are agreeing to comply with the court order, for now, but they are not agreeing to the rules. This is not semantics, Apple's offer was that if Epic dropped he suit, they would be let back in.…

They are very clearly agreeing to follow the app store rules. They're also trying to force them to change, but they are very clearly agreeing to follow whatever the rules are at all times. The rules do not include "you cannot sue us" or "you cannot appeal decisions". If apple tried to put those in the rules, the court would quickly remove them from the rules, but also Apple did not, and almost certainly will not even…

Post by simonh » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #352

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Apple is giving up a lot of money, likely hundreds of millions, by not letting Fortnite back in. You could argue that in the long term Apple might be calculating that the fear effect on other companies might pay that back, but that's highly arguable. It's unarguable they are giving up a serious amount of reliable income to make this point.

You are missing the wood for the trees here: Apple may give up some money for the Fortnite game, but meanwhile they get to hold on to the money they rake in on other parties' products. If they accepted the Fortnite change then they would lose that other money, which absolutely dwarfs the money made on Fortnite. I'm a bit surprised that this needs to be explained.

Post by spywaregorilla » Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 11:43 PM UTC

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> they want to be able to control the working of the devices so to provide premium experience. Well too fucking bad. They can offer their premium services as a fair competitor in the market and if people want that, they can choose it, and if they don't, they can choose other things.

> They can offer their premium services as a fair competitor in the market and if people want that, they can choose it, and if they don't, they can choose other things. Yes, that's exactly the situation. If people don't like it, they go buy a Samsung, a Pixel, Xiaomi, a Huawei, a Sony etc. There's no need for Apple be compelled do anything, there are plenty of options when you don't like the Apple offerings. And thos…

Post by Razengan » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 12:05 AM UTC

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There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.

That's just a lack of imagination. Apple's app store grip prevents whole industries from taking shape.

Post by elpool2 » Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 12:22 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #432

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They are very clearly agreeing to follow the app store rules. They're also trying to force them to change, but they are very clearly agreeing to follow whatever the rules are at all times. The rules do not include "you cannot sue us" or "you cannot appeal decisions". If apple tried to put those in the rules, the court would quickly remove them from the rules, but also Apple did not, and almost certainly will not even…

It’s been perfectly clear all along, to anyone closely following the case and Apples deposition and legal statements exactly what Apples position was. Their conditions for letting Fortnite back in was Epic agreeing to drop the case and follow the rules. This has never changed.