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Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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It's not about the keyboard. It's about the lack of a strength building regime. Humans are not built to sit behind a desk. A strength training regime like Starting Strength or Stronglifts 5x5 is what the average office worker needs to survive their career RSI free into old age

If you’ve done those programs then you know how important form is to doing physical activities safely. The way I see it, the standard keyboard is akin to encouraging lifting with bad form, 30-80 hours a week.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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I picked up a Kinesis Freestyle 2 last year, with the longer (20" I think) cable, and it's been wonderful. Standard QWERTY, and the cable is long enough that I'm in a comfortable typing position leaning fully back into my chair with my arms sitting on the armrests. Only complaint is that the macro buttons off to the side just emit standard key presses (eg Cut sends Control+x), which I guess means I should look into t…

take a look at this: https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/product/freestyle-edge/ I think it is a better choice than the pro, as it costs the same once you purchase the wrist rests (which the pro comes with). You can re-macro every key on the board, and the macro stays with the board if you move it to a new computer.

As a buyer of both the original Freestyle Pro and the Edge (first edition, pre-rgb), I endorse this message. Either keyboard will likely take your pain away, but the Edge is the better option.

The Edge has everything that was missing from the Pro. It truly is the perfect keyboard, in my opinion: split, backlit, mech switches, fully (and easily) programmable, multiple layouts, internal memory, extra macro keys. What more could one ask from a keyboard...? The only shortcoming is that the keycap profile is custom, so it's hard to pimp if you are into color schemes, but that's it. I don't understand why they chose to market it to gamers, when it's the perfect hacker's tool, but I guess them kids are more willing to splash the cash these days.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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Switching to ortholinear can really mess you up when you have to use a laptop or colleague's keyboard.

I've been using a Moonlander exclusively on my desktop since November 2020 while having no trouble continuing to use a Macbook Air or my old Acer laptop. The differently placed modifier keys on the laptops screw me up infinitely more than going from an ortholinear split to a laptop and back.

It is the modifier keys that has me using two magic keyboards like the article. When I'm away from my desk, with my mac, I can still use it.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

#154

> I tried a few of those Kinesis split keyboards. Too squishy for me. Not far enough apart. The CherryMX Kinesis split keyboard was is too clickey for calls and screenshares. Muscle memory made it difficult to switch. This is a really cool hack, and I’m happy that the author found a solution for their pain that works for them, but this bit confused me. Kinesis are keyboards with separated key clusters, but not split…

It took me years to find a split, ergo-style keyboard with mechanical keys, but I finally did. The freestyles have them, but I don't like the super flat layout. https://c9ergo.com/ I am loving the split, angled setup with my preferred Cherry MX Blues.

The MS Natural split keyboards are easy to find but aren't satisfyingly clicky mechanical keys just like olden times.

How long do these last?

Edit: "Ergonomic keyboard" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergonomic_keyboard > #Split_keyboard:

> Split keyboards group keys into two or more sections. Ergonomic split keyboards can be fixed, where you cannot change the positions of the sections, or adjustable. Split keyboards typically change the angle of each section, and the distance between them. On an adjustable split keyboard, this can be tailored exactly to the user. People with a broad chest will benefit from an adjustable split keyboard's ability to customize the distance between the two halves of the board. This ensures the elbows are not too close together when typing. [2]

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

#155

Once you try the 21" separation Kinesis freestyle you won't go back (assuming you know how to touch-type). Being able to keep your arms at shoulder length apart releases a lot of tension you'd otherwise have by brining your arms literally together to type. That being said, the keyboard is hardly perfect.

For me, the problem with the Kinesis, is that the modifier keys are all in different locations than the laptop keyboard. I still need to use that when I'm away from my desk. So now I have to Apple Magic keyboards.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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> I tried a few of those Kinesis split keyboards. Too squishy for me. Not far enough apart. The CherryMX Kinesis split keyboard was is too clickey for calls and screenshares. Muscle memory made it difficult to switch. This is a really cool hack, and I’m happy that the author found a solution for their pain that works for them, but this bit confused me. Kinesis are keyboards with separated key clusters, but not split…

Having recently gotten back into mechanical keyboards, partially for ergonomic reasons, I can say the Moonlander so far is the single board I regret purchasing. Almost $400 for a board that is so poorly designed you have to choose between a usable thumb cluster position or a comfortable tenting angle, because the thumb cluster is used as one of the tenting legs. So unless you have giant hands, it's just a very poor e…

Not to discredit your experience, but as another data point: I love my Moonlander. I love it so much, I have two, actually.

Personally, I find the thumb clusters most comfortable in a position that also gives a good tenting angle, but I think criticizing coupling the two is fair.

That said, I'm not sure how the tripod kit would help you solve that one way or the other. I thought it was designed to go on the outside, not where the thumb clusters are.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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I wish I could buy the Moonlander without switches and keycaps. I already have both.

That would be nice. They explain why they don’t do that here: https://www.zsa.io/moonlander/faq That being said, their support and product are absolutely excellent—might be worth it anyway

That is somewhat of a good point about testing, but I’m not 100% convinced. The PCB itself should have already been tested at the factory, which should be sufficient for someone like me who’s ordering it without switches.

The purpose of testing the switches how they’re doing it is to ensure that the pins weren’t bent upon insertion and the switches themselves. Neither of those things apply in my case. Other companies sell plenty of DIY hot swap board kits without switches pre installed, so they must have a reliable and cheap way of testing the hot swap sockets themselves (something the PCB factory may or may not do, not sure).

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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I'm glad that this is the way customs are headed. I love my Think6.5 V2. Gasket mounting has been game changing for me.

After Googling for an embarassingly long time I think I'm figuring out what gasket mounting is.. how does that meaningfully changed how the keyboard feels? Just makes the whole typing surface a little flexible / bouncy?

There are a couple different techniques, but it really all boils down to dampening/softening the bottom out with rubber or silicone somewhere in the case sandwich. It gives it some “give” beyond the travel of the switch. A thick desk mat does this a bit too.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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> I tried a few of those Kinesis split keyboards. Too squishy for me. Not far enough apart. The CherryMX Kinesis split keyboard was is too clickey for calls and screenshares. Muscle memory made it difficult to switch. This is a really cool hack, and I’m happy that the author found a solution for their pain that works for them, but this bit confused me. Kinesis are keyboards with separated key clusters, but not split…

Having recently gotten back into mechanical keyboards, partially for ergonomic reasons, I can say the Moonlander so far is the single board I regret purchasing. Almost $400 for a board that is so poorly designed you have to choose between a usable thumb cluster position or a comfortable tenting angle, because the thumb cluster is used as one of the tenting legs. So unless you have giant hands, it's just a very poor e…

I have a Lily58 that I’m still getting used to, got any tenting tips? So far I’ve only been putting a towel under the far end to angle it a bit, which is far from ideal.

Re: Using two keyboards at once for pain relief

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Since going to a sculpt, regular keyboards are just upsetting. I love almost everything about it, especially how I can position my shoulders. It feels familiar for a mac user, ironically, because of the chicklet keys, and only took a day to get used to. I'd love to try others that are identical in shape, but maybe different in tact or texture. The Surface Keyboard is too big and too expensive for my taste. $170 vs $80.

I like this person's idea, though of course it's very demanding in terms of space and $$. Whatever gets rid of the pain and helps your posture.

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