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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Apple's slavish obsession with passive cooling, indeed. It doesn't matter how many times it has been proven to be a bad idea, they're still going to use it.

The M1 Air seems to be a well liked machine.

It's taken them 20 years since the G4 Cube and several other no-fan, overheat-plagued models to figure it out.

Sad for all the customers along the way that suffered through all the failed attempts.

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NVIDIA is well hated by the industry. They tend to screw their partners. They're also very aggressive with litigation. I am not surprised Apple hates their guts, too.

Yes, but we are talking about the interests of users here. The idea that apple would prevent Nvidia GPUs from being used with their machines is further to the point of Apple putting its grudges ahead of the interests of their customers.

I honestly don't see how using NVIDIA would be in the interest of users.

e.g. AMD's GPUs have full documentation, and high quality open source drivers. Same deal with Intel.

NVIDIA, you have to deal with their blob, and tough luck if it doesn't work, especially if NVIDIA has decided not to support your hardware anymore. They do that fairly quickly. In that sense, their GPUs are comparable with PowerVR, and your average shitty android SoC.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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I don't have links handy but Sweeny directly addressed this. Sony and Microsoft are willing to negotiate with Epic. They get to find a middleground that both sides are happy with. Apple does not negotiate, a developer that has $5 in sales get's the same deal as Epic. Sweeny stated that if Apple had been willing to negotiate similar to Microsoft and Sony then we wouldn't be here.

If Apple had negotiated with Epic, we'd all be arguing about how unfair it is that Epic gets a better deal than everyone else.

That's a good point. Not a big Apple fan, in fact I hate most what they do, but for that particular thing I don't agree with Epic. Those things are anti-competetive and hurt everyone else.

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The main reason flash was killed by Apple was also spite toward Adobe, they made valid excuses sure, but spite was the driving force

Flash was absolutely NOT killed by Apple. Adobe killed Flash, and it was unrelated to Steve Job's letter. Source: me. Was working at Adobe at the time, probably at the thing that actually led to the demise of Flash (not that it was my intention in any way to contribute to the death of Flash, the decision to kill it was a surprise to me as much as it was to anybody else).

(⊙_⊙) ... please elaborate!

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Flash was absolutely NOT killed by Apple. Adobe killed Flash, and it was unrelated to Steve Job's letter. Source: me. Was working at Adobe at the time, probably at the thing that actually led to the demise of Flash (not that it was my intention in any way to contribute to the death of Flash, the decision to kill it was a surprise to me as much as it was to anybody else).

(⊙_⊙) ... please elaborate!

I didn't leave _that_ long ago, and don't want to look up my contract/NDA to see when it expires, so I don't want to go into too much detail.

Flash cost Adobe a lot to develop (it was a big team). At some point, I speculate[+] that Adobe simply decided they no longer need the runtime, since the browsers have/will soon have all the capabilities that they need, natively. So why waste the money?

[+] I don't know for sure (e.g. I didn't participate directly in the decision); but still, I believe my speculation is much more informed that the typical net user who just noticed the coincidence and wanted to believe the narrative.

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> But, sadly, Apple is letting their desire to get vengeance outweigh the interests of their users Of course they are, that's Apple's standard business relationship practice. See also why Mac's still don't have an Nvidia GPU option, because Apple & Nvidia got in some spat a decade ago and Apple has been holding a grudge ever since. The more Apple brings stuff in-house the less this matters to the bottom line, but it…

The main reason flash was killed by Apple was also spite toward Adobe, they made valid excuses sure, but spite was the driving force

> The main reason flash was killed by Apple was also spite toward Adobe

Prior to and subsequent to Flash (a Macromedia product, fwiw) Apple & Adobe have had extensive relationships and interaction that are in no way indicative of spite.

The main reason Flash died is because performance & power consumption on mobile never got past garbage, despite the platform wars going borderline nuclear on the topic.

> they made valid excuses sure,

Perhaps it's my becoming an ol' fogey, but it's crazy to see the Apple haters of yesteryear also move toward historical revisionism.

While the best approach is to just ignore such FUD like "valid excuses, sure", it's also important the record not be owned by zealots and those who preach spite.

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The HOA forces you to use their power and fiber, so in that case sure. But if you could get power and fiber directly from the TV manufacturer or someone else, then the HOA doesn't need a cut. In this case, the TV manufacturer already has all that infrastructure and they use it in neighborhoods without an HOA. It would be no cost to you or the HOA for you use it but the HOA just doesn't allow it. For obvious reasons,…

If HOAs are so bad why does anyone buy a home in an HOA neighborhood? If iOS only running Apple’s signed code is so bad why do people keep buying iOS devices?

You want a nice home in a nice neighborhood or a nice phone with a nice OS. Maybe you want to avoid an HOA but the home/phone you want isn't available without it. You can always choose another phone/home in another HOA controlled neighborhood. Or alternatively you could get a PinePhone or a crack house.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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What happened to that proposed US regulation that they will mandate alternate app stores on iPhone and make Google style strong-arming against other stores illegal. This sounds like the best solution by far. Nothing changes for Apple walled garden users and happy Google Play users. The rest of us get better choices.

How would this change the fact that Epic knowingly and intentionally violated a contract? The judge didn’t prohibit Apple from enforcement responses to the willful rule breaking by Epic. Apple said they’d reinstate Epic if Epic uploads a guidelines-compliant build. Epic instead said they’d upload a build that doesn’t comply with today’s guidelines. Apple declined Epic’s offer as it does not met the terms they present…

I don't really care about Apple store ? Like I don't care about Play Store - both have limitations I don't like. Android is more lax about permitting custom software installed on the phone but Google strongarms OEMs to prevent any competing stores.

There's good money in maintaining appstores I'm certain someone will do it better than Apple and Google, I would very much welcome Steam mobile for example.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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How would this change the fact that Epic knowingly and intentionally violated a contract? The judge didn’t prohibit Apple from enforcement responses to the willful rule breaking by Epic. Apple said they’d reinstate Epic if Epic uploads a guidelines-compliant build. Epic instead said they’d upload a build that doesn’t comply with today’s guidelines. Apple declined Epic’s offer as it does not met the terms they present…

I don't really care about Apple store ? Like I don't care about Play Store - both have limitations I don't like. Android is more lax about permitting custom software installed on the phone but Google strongarms OEMs to prevent any competing stores. There's good money in maintaining appstores I'm certain someone will do it better than Apple and Google, I would very much welcome Steam mobile for example.

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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How would this change the fact that Epic knowingly and intentionally violated a contract? The judge didn’t prohibit Apple from enforcement responses to the willful rule breaking by Epic. Apple said they’d reinstate Epic if Epic uploads a guidelines-compliant build. Epic instead said they’d upload a build that doesn’t comply with today’s guidelines. Apple declined Epic’s offer as it does not met the terms they present…

I don't really care about Apple store ? Like I don't care about Play Store - both have limitations I don't like. Android is more lax about permitting custom software installed on the phone but Google strongarms OEMs to prevent any competing stores. There's good money in maintaining appstores I'm certain someone will do it better than Apple and Google, I would very much welcome Steam mobile for example.

I think my reply went to the wrong parent comment, and I apologize for my error. You can safely disregard.
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