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Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

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Absolutely incredible news. Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates. I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web. For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightnin…

Do we know why they're not doing it off-chain, similar to the way a crypto exchange will transfer crypto from one user to another off-chain?

LN is off chain, that's the whole point, LN is a custodial solution to the problem Blockstream introduced when they introduced the block size limit.

Bitcoin Cash is the on chain solution, LN is just as centralized as PayPal.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#72
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that HN actually does understand crypto and blockchain. The layperson might believe the myth that NFTs, for example, are "amazing tools with huge potential for monetization of all sorts of digital goods", but most of HN will know the reality - you are "buying" nothing more than a URL in a JSON file (i.e. no legal ownership of anything), almost all artists will lose money (there are over 20M listings on…

> you are "buying" nothing more than a URL in a JSON file (i.e. no legal ownership of anything), This is wrong. I can see why you think it, but it is wrong. The URL in the JSON file is free, as is the artwork that it points to. It's very hard to restrict the copying of digital artworks anyway, so why bother trying to? The person buying the NFT is not "buying a URL". This phrase doesn't even mean anything! What they a…

> The person buying the NFT is not "buying a URL". This phrase doesn't even mean anything!

"Buying a URL" (a pointer to a thing) means more than "buying a blockchain record" (a pointer to a pointer to a thing).

What is the value of a blockchain record whose URL no longer works, or has been changed to point to something worth nothing?

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#73

Why does Twitter need to enable anything for users to receive Bitcoin? Couldn't the users just pin a tweet to the top of their profile "Hey, if you want to tip us, here is our Bitcoin address: ..."? And for receiving Bitcoin via the Lighnight Network, I would expect it is similar?

As someone who often tips people with crypto, having a button at the point where I’m consuming the content is helpful. Otherwise I have to go search for their address, or hope they have something like an ENS name as their display name so I can easily address a tip to them.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#74
post #4

Absolutely incredible news. Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates. I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web. For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightnin…

Isn't this what Brave tried doing in their browser circa 2016? Doesn't seem like micropayments fit the current consumer mindset the way periodic subscriptions do.

lightning network wasn't available in 2016. Lightning network makes micro-transactions feasible with bitcoin by almost eliminating the fee.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#75
post #66

I'm having a very hard time imagining a scenario in which I would feel the need to tip someone for a Tweet. I understand why I might want to pay someone for, say, a Youtube video, or a substack article. But is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it? Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough. Or maybe the answer is porn.

Might be good for journalism. People get paid for their analysis and being a trusted source. Hopefully revenue drops off when lying or sloppy work occurs.

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#76
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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN will never understand crypto / blockchain. Bitcoin and NFTs are amazing tools with huge potential for monetization of all sorts of digital goods. It has never been a better time to be a digital artist and earn a living. The lack of imagination and "get off my lawn" around here is absurd.

How's the eco status on NFTs these days? I know Bitcoin is still trying to cook the Earth but have they fixed NFTs yet? My only "get off my lawn" take on it Also it all seems to be digitally drawn portrait templates with different accessories on (eg robot heads). I have no idea if they sell but someone's giving Twitter a bunch of money to shove those in my face haha. I'll put that one down to not getting it, I never…

Most NFTs are on Ethereum. That has pretty high energy usage for now, but is on track to eliminate it almost entirely in Q1 next year.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#77
post #66

I'm having a very hard time imagining a scenario in which I would feel the need to tip someone for a Tweet. I understand why I might want to pay someone for, say, a Youtube video, or a substack article. But is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it? Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough. Or maybe the answer is porn.

(1) to communicate to others that the particular tweet is valuable, by sending something with more scarcity than a mouseclick. (2) to help fund the creator of the tweet. (3) "is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it"? Well a tweet can be much more concise than a youtube video.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#78
post #66

I'm having a very hard time imagining a scenario in which I would feel the need to tip someone for a Tweet. I understand why I might want to pay someone for, say, a Youtube video, or a substack article. But is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it? Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough. Or maybe the answer is porn.

Might be good for journalism. People get paid for their analysis and being a trusted source. Hopefully revenue drops off when lying or sloppy work occurs.

Maybe local news channels can start compensating people who's media they want to broadcast and profit from.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#79
post #66

I'm having a very hard time imagining a scenario in which I would feel the need to tip someone for a Tweet. I understand why I might want to pay someone for, say, a Youtube video, or a substack article. But is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it? Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough. Or maybe the answer is porn.

It doesn't just have to be for the content in the tweet. For example you could link to an article on your blog.

Re: Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs

#80
post #53

Why does Twitter need to enable anything for users to receive Bitcoin? Couldn't the users just pin a tweet to the top of their profile "Hey, if you want to tip us, here is our Bitcoin address: ..."? And for receiving Bitcoin via the Lighnight Network, I would expect it is similar?

A lot of business is just taking something that is possible and making it accessible. See: the famous Dropbox detractor comment on hacker news.

But it's just a bitcoin address. All you need to do is go to an exchange (or a wallet), click withdraw enter the public key of the other person, type in the amount and you're done.

Dropbox is also silly. It's just rsync with a UI, just spin up a command-line and transfer all your fi-... Wait a minute. This is what you meant! ;-)

I'd love to hear a version where a chef would talk about food this way or some other field that I know next to nothing about.

Edit: I didn't realize it was using the lightning network.

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