I am sick of Epic honestly, these companies always feeling entitled to someone else's work. With this fake "level playing field" nonsense. No one is forcing you to use iOS as your delivery platform. Epic is extremely disingenuous in this case, if they don't like it they have all the resources to create their own mobile device and platform.
Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
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#202I understand Apple's decision to do this. They want to stick it to Epic. Completely understandable desire on Apple's part. But, sadly, Apple is letting their desire to get vengeance outweigh the interests of their users in having all the games they want to play on their devices. I have been realizing lately that my loyalty to Apple has been waning over the years after having invested heavily in the ecosystem. This is…
How do Epic's games benefit users in meaningful ways over any of the other non-exploitative games on the App Store?
> How do Epic's games benefit users in meaningful ways over any of the other games on the App Store?
They benefit the users who want to play those games. Fortnite in particular is huge.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity JFC Apple allows 3rd-party shit on Macs. The App Store is a store, just like Google Play and Steam etc. And iPhones and iPads are a platform, just like the PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo Switch etc. Show us one instance where someone violated the T&C of any other store or platform and were still allowed to continue to do business there.
> iPhones and iPads are a platform, just like the PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo Switch etc. Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. : Folks are thinking of Apple like it's just a video game console, when the more apt comparison is Comcast or AT&T.
Even if you think of it as a gaming platform (which it isn't)... there's Nintendo, Playstation, Xbox, PC, Mac, Steam (also on PC and Mac, but separate to itself)... I might have missed some niche platforms. As opposed to mobile, which is Apple and Android.
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#204I understand Apple's decision to do this. They want to stick it to Epic. Completely understandable desire on Apple's part. But, sadly, Apple is letting their desire to get vengeance outweigh the interests of their users in having all the games they want to play on their devices. I have been realizing lately that my loyalty to Apple has been waning over the years after having invested heavily in the ecosystem. This is…
How do Epic's games benefit users in meaningful ways over any of the other non-exploitative games on the App Store?
Why does that matter? What does "meaningful ways" even mean? And "meaningful ways" according to who, the user or Apple?
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#205It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…
Not to put too fine a point on it, but for all practical purposes Apple can't boot Facebook or Google from the App Store, regardless of what they do. Tim Cook's head would end up on the chopping block if several billion users suddently left iOS because FB, Instagram and the rest weren't available. With Google, the userbase is potentially even bigger and some of what they do really is fundamental to most people's expe…
> The same might be true of Fortnite
It would seem that Fortnite's demographic is preteen kids. Are they playing Fortnite on their parent's device or one they own? If it's the later then Apple could be fostering a lifelong mistrust or dislike for their platform. If it's the former then Parents might just install another App for them and that's the end of Fortnite.
I guess it comes down to how many people are willing to jump ship for Fortnite. I have a feeling Apple probably already knows the answer since Fortnite hasn't been in the App store for some time.
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> You just listed how Apple is not acting like a government: they’re retaliating. Responsible governments doesn't retaliate, oppressive governments tend to retaliate a lot. So you are right, Apple isn't acting like a responsible government, but the argument was that it is acting like an oppressive one.
Somehow acting like Not-X makes you X? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is organized under state laws explicitly as a duck, and sits on top of the water like a duck, it’s an eagle?
No, the argument isn't "Apple is like a government since Apple is retaliating". The argument is "Apple is like a government and therefore shouldn't be allowed to retaliate".
And no, saying "They are retaliating and therefore not a government" is not a good defence to the argument "Apple is like a government and therefore shouldn't be allowed to retaliate".
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Yep. I’m confused. Do people think that Epic won the court case, and are therefore in some position to make demands? The court ruled in favor of Apple on 9 of 10 issues. Epic has proven itself to be a bad faith actor; recall, Epic could have remained in compliance and then sued for the right they just gained, and then implemented it. But they decided to purposefully break the rules they originally agreed to. This is…
I agree that Apple won in court here, but I think they're losing the public perception game pretty badly. I've never been a big Apple fan - and I speak up about it on various forums - up until about two years ago, no one really cared. These last two years... The Anti-Apple sentiment is hitting HARD . Frankly - It was always an abusive company ("my way or the high way" seems like it could be their company motto), but…
> …I think they're losing the public perception game pretty badly.
Outside of HN and other niche media properties this is an extremely obscure battle.
> …now the products just aren't that good, and it shows.
Does it though? Apple recently reported an almost-50% YoY increase in iPhone sales. The iPad had its best June quarter in nearly a decade. The Mac set a new June quarter revenue record. The last four quarters have been the Mac's best four quarters ever. Subjectively, Apple products have never been better.
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#208I understand Apple's decision to do this. They want to stick it to Epic. Completely understandable desire on Apple's part. But, sadly, Apple is letting their desire to get vengeance outweigh the interests of their users in having all the games they want to play on their devices. I have been realizing lately that my loyalty to Apple has been waning over the years after having invested heavily in the ecosystem. This is…
Meh. In the grand scheme of things, Apple doesn't even make the top ten list of shady businesses this modern lifestyle forces me to engage with. :/
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#209Sounds like retaliation and is anti-competitive. Hope the EU is watching.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do Epic's games benefit users in meaningful ways over any of the other non-exploitative games on the App Store?
Why does that matter? What does "meaningful ways" even mean? And "meaningful ways" according to who, the user or Apple?
Think about what is important to the demographic that is playing Fortnite, is playing the game more important or is having an Apple device?
There are kids that are in elementary school that wear Fortnite clothing. The brand is everywhere. I am sure some actuary did the math on it so that Apple will come ahead, but the optics on something like this will sway brand loyalty for years in this demographic.