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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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> Cook said that Apple was not thinking about money at all, and Fortnite's revenue was not a consideration. That's a bald faced lie. Of course it is about the money.

On the contrary, I think it is more about making an example out of Epic about the severe consequences of litigating against apple.

pour encourager les autres

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS…

That's an epic summary of someone who totally bought into the Apple ecosystem. Not here to judge, of course, I am impressed! Wow!

Thank you for not judging. In April this year one Sunday evening I realised that I've just spent about 40 hours over that weekend tinkering with my mutt and notmuch configuration instead of practicing smoking that beef roast as I wanted for some time

Monday morning I did several things:

- ordered mac mini M1 to replace my ThinkPad with Arch

- ordered iPhone to replace my rooted Motorola 5g Plus

- filed a ticket at work to switch myself from company issued precision 5540 with Arch to company issued 16 inch MacBook

- promised myself to never go that way again

I still am experiencing cravings sometimes. I saw someone made a Wayland port of dwm and immediately wanted to try it. Took a bit effort to distract myself from that and read a book instead.

I am a recovering addict and Keyboard Maestro is my replacement therapy

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Epic took a stand and we should be behind them 100%. This case was never about winning on the letter of the contract law, it was about moving the standard of practice and attempting to gain some ground against the evils of mega-Apple. If you are reading this Grubber post and thinking you agree, that's only because you are used to thinking this way by now. The courts simply do not understand the power companies like A…

Here's the relevant injunction:

> Apple Inc. and its officers, agents, servants, employees, and any person in active concert or participation with them (“Apple”), are hereby permanently restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from (i) including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing and (ii) communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app.

> Tim Sweeney is high as a kite.

I think not... keep shilling for Apple harder.

> Here’s where I think Sweeney garnered the legal “go fuck yourself”. Sweeney is arguing that Apple, which won the lawsuit, should interpret the court’s anti-steering injunction in a way that pleases Epic, which lost the lawsuit. That’s not how things work.

Is he really trying to argue that the "winner" and "losers" are absolute in this case?! Wild.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Epic took a stand and we should be behind them 100%. This case was never about winning on the letter of the contract law, it was about moving the standard of practice and attempting to gain some ground against the evils of mega-Apple. If you are reading this Grubber post and thinking you agree, that's only because you are used to thinking this way by now. The courts simply do not understand the power companies like A…

> Why let the platforms eat our lunch? Maybe we should just be giving them a snack, or a little treat, but even that would just be for "services rendered", not as a condition for our meal.

I actually do think the platforms do a whole lot for developers; far more than they get credit for, in my opinion. For that reason, I think the best option is for them to unbundle their app store developer offerings into pieces that developers can pick & choose from. (eg. as a developer, would you be willing to share 4% extra for a smoother payment experience for users?)

I have previously mentioned this in another HN comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28369205

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

The problem with this logic, is that Apple isn't really a "business" in this case. Epic and Apple aren't really "business partners". Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity with none of the responsibilities or checks on authority that a real government has. You can sue the Post Office, lose your case, and know they can't retaliate by stealing all your mail forever. You can sue the Department o…

> Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity

JFC

Apple allows 3rd-party shit on Macs. The App Store is a store, just like Google Play and Steam etc. And iPhones and iPads are a platform, just like the PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo Switch etc.

Show us one instance where someone violated the T&C of any other store or platform and were still allowed to continue to do business there.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.

There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.

That's just a lack of imagination.

Apple's app store grip prevents whole industries from taking shape.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.

There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.

I echo this. I had youtube-dl running on my previous iPhone in pythonista.

I had a shortcut that would download list of YouTube videos from a file for offline viewing using that

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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And thank "God" for people like him[1]. Life is unbearable under Tim Cook's "vision", the greed, arrogance and pettiness is at an all-time high, and it's not like it was low before.. [1] Also, nothing is black and white, of course Tim/Epic were looking to get more money from what their customers paid.

My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS…

My experience is not very different from yours but I do that using multiple vendors, without being tied to a single one.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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This lawsuit will cost Apple way more than Epic. It might not hurt Apple that much as a percentage, but in absolute terms it will hurt them plenty. There is a reason they fight this so fervently.

No, people wish it will hurt Apple way more, but it won’t. It won’t even make a dent in their universe.

Not people. Not users. Just the greedy companies and developers who wish that they could prey upon a billion users and fleece them with impunity without Apple getting in the way.

And they will do their darnedest to conceal their true motives. “BUT WE CARE!” they will howl, while salivating with fork and knife in grubby hands.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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The problem with this logic, is that Apple isn't really a "business" in this case. Epic and Apple aren't really "business partners". Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity with none of the responsibilities or checks on authority that a real government has. You can sue the Post Office, lose your case, and know they can't retaliate by stealing all your mail forever. You can sue the Department o…

> Apple is an unregulated privately-owned quasi-government entity JFC Apple allows 3rd-party shit on Macs. The App Store is a store, just like Google Play and Steam etc. And iPhones and iPads are a platform, just like the PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo Switch etc. Show us one instance where someone violated the T&C of any other store or platform and were still allowed to continue to do business there.

> iPhones and iPads are a platform, just like the PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo Switch etc.

Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. : Folks are thinking of Apple like it's just a video game console, when the more apt comparison is Comcast or AT&T.

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