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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by turdnagel »

onion2k wrote: post #120
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #104

That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

Tell me again why would _you_ do business with anyone like that? me looking at the massive pile of money fortnite generates Yes.

I'm sure Fortnite IAP would generate good money for Apple, but it's not enough to justify giving up the control they want to keep, rightly or wrongly.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by [deleted] »

xwdv wrote: post #75
Jensson wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This lawsuit will cost Apple way more than Epic. It might not hurt Apple that much as a percentage, but in absolute terms it will hurt them plenty. There is a reason they fight this so fervently.

No, people wish it will hurt Apple way more, but it won’t. It won’t even make a dent in their universe.

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by nixpulvis »

nixpulvis wrote: post #144

Epic took a stand and we should be behind them 100%. This case was never about winning on the letter of the contract law, it was about moving the standard of practice and attempting to gain some ground against the evils of mega-Apple. If you are reading this Grubber post and thinking you agree, that's only because you are used to thinking this way by now. The courts simply do not understand the power companies like A…

P.S. This is all part of the broader "Right to Repair" laws, just at the software level...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by turdnagel »

nixpulvis wrote: post #144

Epic took a stand and we should be behind them 100%. This case was never about winning on the letter of the contract law, it was about moving the standard of practice and attempting to gain some ground against the evils of mega-Apple. If you are reading this Grubber post and thinking you agree, that's only because you are used to thinking this way by now. The courts simply do not understand the power companies like A…

Really, that's not what this lawsuit was about, and the courts aren't supposed to tip the scales based the size of companies, are they? It's clear we need new laws to deal with the problems at hand. The ruling seemed pretty even-handed based on the law, even if you disagree with it.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by gameswithgo »

ribit wrote: post #61
gameswithgo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim is in the fight for idealogical reasons, not calculated business ones.

Yes, if by ideological reasons you mean „moneyz“.

It is easy to be cynical because cynical is usually correct but that really isn’t Sweeny’s motivation here.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by taneq »

Aerroon wrote: post #13
jasode wrote: post #8

It's interesting to compare the situation Epic got itself into with previous episodes of Facebook & Google breaking Apple's rules. When Facebook and Google misused Developer Enterprise certificates to go beyond internal testing and distribute apps to end-consumers , Apple revoked their accounts. Both Facebook & Google simply admitted they screwed up and Apple reinstated their accounts.[1] No lawsuits. Epic broke Appl…

I don't think that quote is quite as apt though. Epic seems to be in far less trouble than Apple. Epic might not have gained what they wanted, but a lot of it is a giant like of evidence about Apple for other countries and cases.

"If you can make god bleed, people would case to believe in him, there will be blood in the water, and the sharks will come."

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by spywaregorilla »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #104

That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

I'm ok with Apple not letting Epic on the App Store so long as Apple doesn't forbid me from doing a private business exchange with Epic on my device.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by nixpulvis »

turdnagel wrote: post #154
nixpulvis wrote: post #144

Epic took a stand and we should be behind them 100%. This case was never about winning on the letter of the contract law, it was about moving the standard of practice and attempting to gain some ground against the evils of mega-Apple. If you are reading this Grubber post and thinking you agree, that's only because you are used to thinking this way by now. The courts simply do not understand the power companies like A…

Really, that's not what this lawsuit was about, and the courts aren't supposed to tip the scales based the size of companies, are they? It's clear we need new laws to deal with the problems at hand. The ruling seemed pretty even-handed based on the law, even if you disagree with it.

They failed to even acknowledge the duopoly, simply reciting tired anti-trust. I'm by no means an expert, but surely someone must come along at some point and take a stand for something in order to implement the "new laws to deal with the problems at hand", no? Would we be living in a better world if only a different judge took the case?

If you have a problem caused by a system you are unwilling to change, you cannot be surprised by the perseverance of that problem.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by _jal »

stevehawk wrote: post #142
danaris wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's business model does not depend on the App Store's 30% cut. Not by a long shot.

Apple's 30% cut is a cash printing press for them. Sure they have other business models like completely disposable, non-repairable, non-recyclable electronics, but the iTunes and App stores are significant profit centers.

The "Services" category is 21% of their revenue.

The "Completely disposable, non-repairable, non-recyclable electronics" category is the rest.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382260/segments-share-re...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by me_me_me »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #102
me_me_me wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this analogy small people care about the outcome, the fake drama and PR is just none important.

I would be very happy if I could sell ios content and keep 88% (epic) vs. 70% (apple) of my own revenue. That's a 25% boost in my revenue. That's huge.

That is what i am saying, outcome and not the process.

following epic vs apple fight - the whole play and dance, throwing mud etc etc. Its not worth your time, you cannot affect the outcome. Just ignore it all and learn about the outcome in the end.

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