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Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history

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Ok, now do it by age group: "Likewise, the mean age of the people who died in 1918 was 28, whereas with Covid, deaths are occurring mainly in the elderly, said Viboud, who works at the National Institutes of Health’s Fogerty International Center. In terms of cumulative years of life lost, the Spanish flu’s impact thus remains greater."

Does it not count when old people die?

It counts, just not as much. Go look up “quality adjusted life year”.

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> The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918 pandemic, in waves of illness that stretched out over roughly two years in this country.

> According to STAT’s Covid-19 Tracker, Covid deaths stand at more than 675,400.

Why are we comparing raw numbers? If one disease killed 4 people in a population of 5, and another disease killed 20 people in a population of a billion, I wouldn't say the second disease is "more deadly." Not to mention life expectancy went from under 40 to above 70 in the last century, so we have way more elderly people around.

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I'm mildly annoyed by journalists calling "Spanish Flu" where the 1918 Flu Pandemic had no relationship with Spain. The author could have titled the piece as "Covid-19 overtakes 1918 flu pandemic as deadliest disease in American history" and later, inside the article include some kind of note about that in that time, it was called (mistakenly) "Spanish flu".

I'm not advocating for "cancel culture" or auto-censorship but it is tiring to have to remind some users that the source of the disease was not Spain.

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>The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918

That's great, now do per capita, the population has, what, tripled since then?

>U.S. deaths make up roughly 14% of the nearly 4.7 million fatalities that have been reported worldwide in this pandemic to date, even though the country’s population comprises only about 4.2% of the global population.

Might this have something to do with testing? And are other countries using irresponsibly high PCR cycle thresholds for detection? While we're on the subject, why has the CDC recommended a lower Ct for vaccinated patients? Doesn't that just guarantee that a vaccinated patient is less likely to test positive, regardless of the efficacy of the vaccine?

>The heavy toll the pandemic has taken in the U.S. is due to the country’s inadequate response early on

Making sure to blame the previous administration, very nice. Meanwhile our numbers were comparable to many (most?) other first world countries, per capita. And this doesn't say anything about the role of testing and case reporting postmortem.

>Comparing events that happened more than a century apart has its perils. For instance, the population of the United States in 1918 was a third of what it is now. Didn't stop you from writing an irresponsibly sensationalized article, did it?

>But modern medicine is far more advanced than what was available in 1918. Now people whose lungs are under attack from Covid can be put on ventilators

I think its an open secret that the aggressive ventilator use early on in the pandemic killed more people than should have been saved.

Im getting really tired journalists opining on the pandemic, totally ignorant of the laundry list of assumptions regarding infectivity, lethality, testing sensitivity/accuracy. Two years in and its still nonstop fear porn. Meanwhile the survival rate is 99.99+, even higher if you're under 50 and not obese.

But hey, don't forget to take your third "safe and effective" booster! Even though the CDC just admitted on live television that the so called vaccine does not prevent infection or spread, consistent with multiple preprints which showed similar viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated. But somehow we are still justified in mandates and passports...

Nothing about this pandemic makes sense anymore.

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> The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918 pandemic, in waves of illness that stretched out over roughly two years in this country. > According to STAT’s Covid-19 Tracker, Covid deaths stand at more than 675,400. Why are we comparing raw numbers? If one…

>Why are we comparing raw numbers?

For the clicks and eyeballs. Bigger numbers make better headlines. This is journalism 101.

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Ok, now do it by age group: "Likewise, the mean age of the people who died in 1918 was 28, whereas with Covid, deaths are occurring mainly in the elderly, said Viboud, who works at the National Institutes of Health’s Fogerty International Center. In terms of cumulative years of life lost, the Spanish flu’s impact thus remains greater."

Does it not count when old people die?

Not saying it shouldn't be counted but it may not end up weighing the same in policy decisions. Would you take 1000000 life years from one age group and give it to an older one? Seems wrong doesn't it? Quality of life matters and it should be balanced against the obligations to our elderly not totally subjugated.

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Well, hard to tell for sure, once it has been announced by the CDC that at the end of this year the PCR tests used are not a valid source anymore for Covid-19 diagnosing [1], because among other problems, those tests are not able to provide a solid identification and differentiation between Covid and other diseases, as the suddenly disappeared flu disease.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert...

Re: Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history

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> The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918 pandemic, in waves of illness that stretched out over roughly two years in this country. > According to STAT’s Covid-19 Tracker, Covid deaths stand at more than 675,400. Why are we comparing raw numbers? If one…

yeah this sounds like "top grossing movie" phenomenon. Since the movie market is always growing and there's inflation, a top grossing movie today doesn't necessarily mean it's more successful/popular. eg. if you consider avatar (2009) which grossed $2.8B and titanic (1997) which only grossed $2.2B, titanic is actually the top grossing one once you account for inflation.
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