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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by notafraudster »

nulbyte wrote: post #84
ribit wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the demands were not met. Epic appealed the court decision, meaning that they are not ok with the demands.

Following the rules while protesting through a court case seems reasonable to me. Just because you flow the rules doesn't mean you think they are just. On the other hand, retaliating because someone genuinely believes they are being disadvantaged is quite the opposite of just.

If your position is "following the rules while protesting through a court case seems reasonable", then you agree Epic should have followed the rules while protesting through a court case instead of deliberately getting banned in order to sharpen their PR efforts in support of the court case they planned to file.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by Closie »

simonh wrote: post #106
concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

>the company offered to let Fortnite back in the App Store if it agreed to the App Store rules. Epic is not agreeing to the app store rules. They are appealing the decision because they *do not agree to the rules* and do not want to follow them. As long as that situation stands, Apple is not letting them back in. If Epic drops the appeal and agrees to comply, then Apple has indicated they would let them in.

I think you are arguing semantics, and that 'Agree' usually means something different in this context.

Agreeing in this sense usually means 'Agreeing to follow rules' rather than 'Agreeing that the rule should exist'.

For instance - I'm sure plenty of developers don't agree that Apple should get a 30% cut and don't want to give the money to them, but agree to let this happen in order to use the store. Most developers probably think that they should be able to take platform on any payment platform they wish, but again agree not to do it because those are the T&C's. Agree usually means 'Agree to do or not do something' rather than 'Agree something is the right thing'.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by elif »

simonh wrote: post #109
jacquesm wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cook said that Apple was not thinking about money at all, and Fortnite's revenue was not a consideration. That's a bald faced lie. Of course it is about the money.

Apple is giving up a lot of money, likely hundreds of millions, by not letting Fortnite back in. You could argue that in the long term Apple might be calculating that the fear effect on other companies might pay that back, but that's highly arguable. It's unarguable they are giving up a serious amount of reliable income to make this point.

Ehh that is generous to the Fortnite fad. It's definitely a fraction of the memetic giant it was even when this litigation began.

I would postulate that 80%+ of Fortnite revenue is now from the item shop. In which case apple is "sacrificing" 20% to try getting the 80%.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by simonh »

Closie wrote: post #112
simonh wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the company offered to let Fortnite back in the App Store if it agreed to the App Store rules. Epic is not agreeing to the app store rules. They are appealing the decision because they *do not agree to the rules* and do not want to follow them. As long as that situation stands, Apple is not letting them back in. If Epic drops the appeal and agrees to comply, then Apple has indicated they would let them in.

I think you are arguing semantics, and that 'Agree' usually means something different in this context. Agreeing in this sense usually means 'Agreeing to follow rules' rather than 'Agreeing that the rule should exist'. For instance - I'm sure plenty of developers don't agree that Apple should get a 30% cut and don't want to give the money to them, but agree to let this happen in order to use the store. Most developers…

It's not semantics. You're simply miss-understanding the nature of the offer because Epic is misrepresenting it. Apple was offering Epic to let them back in the app store if they dropped the case, that's what agreeing means, and they haven't dropped it.

If Epic wins the appeal, the ruling will be overturned and Apple could lose on all points. That's not an acceptable situation for Apple and as long as Epic is holding that over their heads, Apple won't make a deal.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by yoz-y »

tpmx wrote: post #7

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Note also that he publishes all articles in full on RSS. There is not much need to search for it.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by 28626894 »

speeder wrote: post #96
concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

Apple made not just a "promise", they made an offer, the judge then asked if Epic wanted it, Epic said no. Now Epic is changing their mind now that the judge ruled they did breach the contract, what they were expecting?

Yep. I’m confused. Do people think that Epic won the court case, and are therefore in some position to make demands? The court ruled in favor of Apple on 9 of 10 issues. Epic has proven itself to be a bad faith actor; recall, Epic could have remained in compliance and then sued for the right they just gained, and then implemented it. But they decided to purposefully break the rules they originally agreed to. This is the outcome they knew they would get.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by LanceH »

p2t2p wrote: post #82
PedroBatista wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And thank "God" for people like him[1]. Life is unbearable under Tim Cook's "vision", the greed, arrogance and pettiness is at an all-time high, and it's not like it was low before.. [1] Also, nothing is black and white, of course Tim/Epic were looking to get more money from what their customers paid.

My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS…

And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by jmull »

concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

I don’t think Apple is going to reinstate Epic’s dev account until the lawsuits are over.

They aren’t going to enter into a new contract to do business with Epic while Epic’s breach of their last contract is still unresolved.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by onion2k »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #104

That makes sense. Why would you do business ever again with someone who intentionally breached a contract, publicly smeared you with a calculated negative PR campaign and then sued you? After all this you offer them to allow Fortnite back if they reverse what they've done that breached the contract. Instead, they: - Reject the offer - Carry on smearing you - Lose the court case - Sweeney says they wouldn’t release iO…

Tell me again why would _you_ do business with anyone like that?

me looking at the massive pile of money fortnite generates Yes.

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