This is from the company (Apple) who "mitigated" a zero-day with a case-sensitive string match so it could still be exploited?
Like apple gives a shit about concealed code.
Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
But Epic then promptly turned around and appealed. Why should Apple let epic back in when they’re saying they will “play by the rules” in one breath and saying “we don’t accept the courts ruling on the rules” in another?
while they follow the rules there’s no objective reason. If Apple is doing so only because they don’t like Epic, they are abusing their position
And Epic doesn’t like Apple. These are big companies and Epic is not under an existential treat by not having access to the AppStore.
Epic started this whole mess by breaking their original agreement. And the court explicitly affirmed Apple’s right to terminate Epic’s developer account. If Apple were “abusing” their position, that implies they have monopoly power in that market, which was not what the court determined (rightly or wrongly). Which is the crux of Epic’s real goals, which they lost.
You could argue that it’s not nice or that it’s a poor business choice (because people will still buy some VBucks through IAP), but it’s not abusive. Vindictive maybe, but not abusive.
And really the only people getting hurt are the players who played Fortnite (exclusively?) on their phones or iPads. Which ironically includes me…
I think this would be a much larger issue for smaller developers who are reliant on access to the iOS market. What would happen to a smaller developer that didn’t have more resources? I think that’s a more interesting question.
But right now, this is still a Goliath vs Goliath situation.
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that Apple was allowed by the court to ban them indefinitely at their discretion, doesn't change the fact that making a public promise, in court (which was widely publicised at the time from what I recall) and reneging on it when their demands were met, is a little shocking, and certainly disappointing. The last time they made that promise was 8 days ago! > Apple says it won’t let Epic Games back in the App…
But Epic then promptly turned around and appealed. Why should Apple let epic back in when they’re saying they will “play by the rules” in one breath and saying “we don’t accept the courts ruling on the rules” in another?
Appealing a court decision still counts as "playing by the rules." Disagreeing about what the rules should be shouldn't count as a violation of the rules by itself.
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#94This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…
> Cook said that Apple was not thinking about money at all, and Fortnite's revenue was not a consideration. That's a bald faced lie. Of course it is about the money.
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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#95This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…
> Cook said that Apple was not thinking about money at all, and Fortnite's revenue was not a consideration. That's a bald faced lie. Of course it is about the money.
On the contrary, I think it is more about making an example out of Epic about the severe consequences of litigating against apple.
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#96This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…
Apple made not just a "promise", they made an offer, the judge then asked if Epic wanted it, Epic said no.
Now Epic is changing their mind now that the judge ruled they did breach the contract, what they were expecting?
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#97Oh poor epic, I am so saddened by their mistreatment. Is epic succeeding in their narrative as a poor little mistreated company sticking it to the man? I care very little about godzilla vs king kong lawyer fights.
little people often cared a lot about godzilla fights because godzilla was protecting them from a giant monster
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#98This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…
>Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. I think your post inadvertently makes things more confusing. In short, the situation changed and got a little more complicated after Tim Cook previously said they'd reinstate Epic's account. What are the new ch…
So you're saying that Apple won't be forced to comply with the anti-steering ruling because Epic's appealing, even though Apple didn't appeal? (and seemingly indicated that they won't) So Apple can indefinitely keep the anti-steering provision, until all appeals are exhausted? That would make sense.
Otherwise, I believe the court gave Apple 90 days to comply, and I can't see anything in Epic's letter that shows they want to be let back in immediately, so I'm unsure what this changes.
edit: I base my idea that "Apple hinted that they won't appeal" from this: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/17/22679724/tim-cook-epic-ap..., and also based on the fact that Apple, in practice, didn't lose anything (they can still force devs to pay 30% on "steered" purchases made through the dev's website). But it seems some lawyers believe it's possible Apple will still appeal, so I shouldn't have been so definitive.
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#99As an aside: Gruber/Daring Fireball seems to be getting less and less popular: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22darin...
I'm not sure going from an average of 25 searches to 5 really matters lol. Nobody really searches for him, they just read articles by him linked from somewhere else. Anyone who knows him is probably technical and just goes directly to his site.
Don't ever let marketers tell you facts
Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account
#100Oh poor epic, I am so saddened by their mistreatment. Is epic succeeding in their narrative as a poor little mistreated company sticking it to the man? I care very little about godzilla vs king kong lawyer fights.
little people often cared a lot about godzilla fights because godzilla was protecting them from a giant monster
In this analogy small people care about the outcome, the fake drama and PR is just none important.