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EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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This is non-news, this has already been the case since 2009 [1]. It mandates micro USB, EU iPhones come with an adapter. I'm not sure what the current status is, USB-C phones don't come with an adapter. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

I don’t think Apple provided an adapter, they merely “offered” one.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#22
post #10

Wasn't this a news item ten years ago? Ah, yes - confirmed in the article!

It was, and quite a success, and probably encouraged the current step. It changed a problem from "find the right charger" to "will this charger charge this phone quickly or slowly?" with hardly any problems. Someone will post a link to that Google engineer who tested cables, and there was a manufacturer who supplied non-USB power via a USB plug (can't remember which voltage but it wasn't 5V1A), but on the whole, a gr…

If only USB-C PD was less of a mess......

Somehow my 25W USB-PD original genuine Samsung charger doesn't charge my 2021 iPad Pro which normally uses a 20W USB-C charger...it just makes no sense.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#23

I can’t wait for an iPhone with a USB C port, and I’ll buy it immediately. There’s nothing technically wrong with Lightning, but it’s a monumental pain to have to carry around 2 sets of incompatible cables because of it!

I think it’s more likely that Apple will drop the port completely and move to a wireless-charger only approach.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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post #4

Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere, it's Apple and their cable. Right now I always need with me a micro USB cable, an USB-C one, and Lightning, because Apple thinks different™. What's Apple reasoning for not abandoning Lightning for USB-C on their phones?

Probably they think they can make the jump to a completely wireless phone before any USB-C mandates come in.

Apple's timing with the lighting port wasn't great, with it arriving just before USB-C, and I imagine they're very reluctant to change the port on their phones because people already have lightning cables everywhere.

Personally I would love to see USB-C on my iPhone, but I look at my parents, and having the port change for them would be a pain in the arse. All their cables are lightning cables, they don't have any USB-C devices, and ofcourse, all of their cables are the ones that came in the box. I suspect a significant portion of Apple's customers fall into that category.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#25
post #4

Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere, it's Apple and their cable. Right now I always need with me a micro USB cable, an USB-C one, and Lightning, because Apple thinks different™. What's Apple reasoning for not abandoning Lightning for USB-C on their phones?

> Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere

This isn't the first time the EU mentioned those plans, the current situation is basically the phone manufacturers regulating themselves to avoid an explicit regulation by the EU.

> it's Apple and their cable.

Of course there is always that one greedy asshole ruining it for everyone else.

> What's Apple reasoning for not abandoning Lightning for USB-C on their phones?

They probably considered Lightning to be superior but couldn't make it the industry standard without loosing their ability to charge absurd amounts of licensing fees for it.

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

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post #12
post #5

This is non-news, this has already been the case since 2009 [1]. It mandates micro USB, EU iPhones come with an adapter. I'm not sure what the current status is, USB-C phones don't come with an adapter. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply

> EU iPhones come with an adapter. Source? Since 2009 I probably had 8 iPhones or so, never seen or heard about any adapter

It might differ per country. In NL it has been the case. The latest comes with an USB-C -> lightning cable [1]. I think the micro-USB might have been around iPhone 7 era.

[1] https://www.apple.com/nl/iphone-13-pro/specs/

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#27
post #4

Good, though in practice it's not the charger the problem, I use the same USB plug everywhere, it's Apple and their cable. Right now I always need with me a micro USB cable, an USB-C one, and Lightning, because Apple thinks different™. What's Apple reasoning for not abandoning Lightning for USB-C on their phones?

Probably they think they can make the jump to a completely wireless phone before any USB-C mandates come in. Apple's timing with the lighting port wasn't great, with it arriving just before USB-C, and I imagine they're very reluctant to change the port on their phones because people already have lightning cables everywhere. Personally I would love to see USB-C on my iPhone, but I look at my parents, and having the po…

> Probably they think they can make the jump to a completely wireless phone before any USB-C mandates come in.

What is the efficiency of wireless charging?

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#28

I can’t wait for an iPhone with a USB C port, and I’ll buy it immediately. There’s nothing technically wrong with Lightning, but it’s a monumental pain to have to carry around 2 sets of incompatible cables because of it!

I think it’s more likely that Apple will drop the port completely and move to a wireless-charger only approach.

That doesn’t really solve the problem, though. In fact it makes it worse if you have to curry around a wireless charger that is more bulky than the cable it replaces!

Re: EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all phones

#29

Good. We need this. The USB-C connector is capable of providing laptop-grade power supply, and Apple is the only straggler that I know of.

I think it’s a horrible idea. It means moving to a future, better standard (let’s say, USB-D) is neigh impossible as it would require a change to an EU directive (that is: 27 countries need to agree on it). Just getting this into law has already been in the works for years and years, if the EU had worked a bit faster we would have been stuck with micro USB-B, which would have been unfortunate.

We're stuck with USB A on desktops since the late 90s. It hasn't harmed us. The connector is non-reversible, but it's robust with many, many disconnect-connect cycles and can support higher speeds with USB 3.2. I still use USB chargers made 10 years ago. They work fine.

I think it's fine to be stuck on a "good enough" standard, if this results in less e-waste and less need to upgrade all accessories simply because the dominant connection port changed.

If we wanted to have the standard update itself every 15 years or so, we can have a body dedicated to selecting, or creating, such a standard. We don't write automotive standards directly into our laws, so we don't have to the same with charging port technology either. As the maxim goes, "every problem of computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection, except for having too many layers of indirection".

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