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Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

ajb wrote: post #97

One of the simplest functions of a justice system - before impartial judgement, before detailed laws, before qualified advocates - is simply the right to summon a powerful person to justify their actions. Increasingly it seems that we will need this to be applied here, ideally in some simpler and less costly way than a full trial. It is just wrong for companies to make money by inviting people to rely on them , and t…

IMO there needs to be some kind of minimum allowed customer support when handling user data. If you can't provide real support for free, then remove the free plan. If everyone has to then they are all equal again.

It's just wrong to trick people in to trusting a service with their data and then yanking it with no support contact.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #228
ajb wrote: post #97

One of the simplest functions of a justice system - before impartial judgement, before detailed laws, before qualified advocates - is simply the right to summon a powerful person to justify their actions. Increasingly it seems that we will need this to be applied here, ideally in some simpler and less costly way than a full trial. It is just wrong for companies to make money by inviting people to rely on them , and t…

I agree. But I'm not sure what the solution is. A lot of people will say "Hey, it's a private company", and as a libertarian minded person I tend to agree. But increasingly these private companies have more power of my life than my own government does, and it's accelerating further it seems.

The solution is government regulation. It should not be legal for Google to host peoples important data and yank it without any way for the person to get their data back.'

Google should be legally required to either provide a phone number to call, or make the Takeout feature always available regardless of account bans.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #291
squarefoot wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being free is not an excuse. If Google can't give a reliable free service, then they should stop offering free services. Thee way they're doing it is way unprofessional.

This is like saying the Red Cross should not be allowed to give free sandwiches to homeless people if they are made of baloney and government cheese. It's unprofessional! Either use premium meats and cheeses and artisanal bread, or don't give them any sandwiches at all.

No, its like saying they should not be allowed to serve expired food and let x% of people end up sick. They should either serve safe to eat food or no food at all.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

slyall wrote: post #308
zibzab wrote: post #56

This is your daily reminder that nothing in your digital life should EVER entierly depend on any Google services. Im writing this from an android phone. It is not de-googled per se, but uses a replacement for every single Google service (files, books, maps, search, movies, ...). Yes I pay money for those replacements, but God its good to not my life in the hand of a overzealous ML algorithm.

Even if you don't stop using them completely then the fewer services you use then the lower this risk. eg If you don't use photos or storage then zero risk that they will cause you to lose your gmail account.

You can use everything and just dump your account data frequently with Google Takeout. It's super simple to use and provides the data in a format you can easily upload to alternatives.

Google drive and photos are my primary data copy and the .tgz dumps are my backup.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

noxer wrote: post #265

Daily reminder that you need backups Daily reminder that online stored files should be encrypted (no bot would have found anything it doesnt like) Daily reminder that google is know for this and should not be used unless for a third backup or something.

You can easily get your data out frequently from here https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

Encrypted data is too much of a pain because it breaks cross platform integrations. I mostly upload files via my ipad and phone which are unable to encrypt the data. It also prevents you from previewing things without downloading the full file first.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Aeolun wrote: post #322
boomboomsubban wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's text, even the best DRM would be foiled by OCR. It's definitely illegal in the US though.

True, but flipping through the book to copy all pages is too much effort to copy the file to my remarkable instead.

I'm pretty sure the kindle DRM is broken easier than that, DeDRM came up on my quick search, but flipping through the book to copy all the pages is an easily scriptable task.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by exporectomy »

Gigachad wrote: post #329
exporectomy wrote: post #327

It's possible he really did violate Google's "Program Policies" which are utterly ridiculous: "If storing or distributing content related to terrorism for an educational, documentary, scientific, or artistic purpose be mindful to provide enough information so viewers understand the context." So a random photo of a ute with the ISIS logo on the side might be a violation if you don't also write some commentary explaini…

As if the Google AI is smart enough to understand context anyway. If you are going to use google services, set a calendar reminder to download the takeout dump very frequently. It's pretty easy to do and saves you in these cases.

If "viewers" includes Google's own AI, then any failure is the user's fault!

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

kwijibob wrote: post #167

Google Takeout is good insurance. I backup my full google dataset every 6 months or so. When Google AI blocks an account, why don't they offer a window of using Google Takeout to get a .zip of all their stuff?

I have been doing a takeout every month. Do you really want to lose 6 months worth of files in a disaster?

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by Gigachad »

javagram wrote: post #249
kwijibob wrote: post #167

Google Takeout is good insurance. I backup my full google dataset every 6 months or so. When Google AI blocks an account, why don't they offer a window of using Google Takeout to get a .zip of all their stuff?

It’s unlikely they’d want to let someone accused of “terrorist activity” download their data, since if it was actually a terrorist some future investigation would probably blame them for materially supporting terrorism which is illegal.

That's why you do it on a schedule and already have the dump downloaded before your account is flagged.

Re: Google Drive of historical footage locked and flagged as terrorist activity

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #228
ajb wrote: post #97

One of the simplest functions of a justice system - before impartial judgement, before detailed laws, before qualified advocates - is simply the right to summon a powerful person to justify their actions. Increasingly it seems that we will need this to be applied here, ideally in some simpler and less costly way than a full trial. It is just wrong for companies to make money by inviting people to rely on them , and t…

I agree. But I'm not sure what the solution is. A lot of people will say "Hey, it's a private company", and as a libertarian minded person I tend to agree. But increasingly these private companies have more power of my life than my own government does, and it's accelerating further it seems.

If these private companies have such power, it's because you handed it to them.
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