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Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by enkid »

laurent92 wrote: post #236
academia_hack wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China absolutely has designs on Mongolia. The whole existence of the modern Mongolian state is a mess of cold-war / world war 2 geopolitical compromises that left basically no one happy. If Sino-Russian relations cool, or the climate of Mongolia itself warms, it could quickly find itself in an awkward spot between two notoriously bad-faith superpowers and with essentially no alternatives to vassalage.

I suppose it would be very different from Tibet: Tibet provides 2/3rd of the water resources of China, and China came and secured it. I don’t think Mongolia has such scarce resources… does it?

Mongolia has a lot of copper, coal, and significant deposits of gold and other raw materials. Mostly, it's the Russians and Chinese that mine it, so that don't really have a reason to invade at this point.

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Post by mda »

dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

backdoored by FBI : Which phone is that?

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by 908B64B197 »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #235
908B64B197 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, people have been trying to flee Lithuania for the US when the USSR was still around, and not the other way around. I wonder if they might be skeptical of another communist regime starting to interfere with the country. Worked so well the last time...

? Lithuania has been capitalist for 20+ years and quality of life has increased by a lot ever since. the three baltic states are frontrunners in gov digitalization, for example

> Lithuania has been capitalist for 20+ years and quality of life has increased by a lot ever since.

That's what I said. Lithuania had it bad under communism (USSR). Maybe they are simply not interested in having an other communist regime (the CCP) meddle into it's internal affairs.

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Post by enkid »

pulse7 wrote: post #215

The blacklist is interesting, because it maybe shows China's government interests - some of which are not widely known: - "Independence of Mongolia" - Does this show they would like to acquire Mongolia (when the time will be appropriate)? - "The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine" - Does this show pro-Israel support?

Independence of Mongolia maybe talking about "Inner Mongolia," which has ten times as many people as the country of Mongolia. My guess with the Palestine piece is the "Muslim terrorists" in Xinjiang would be interested in that.

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Post by bassman9000 »

hughrr wrote: post #204
bassman9000 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can you send from your phone that will get you arrested by the FBI, vs what can get you arrested by Chinese forces? Is this a valid comparison?

ECHELON! More seriously no platform is trustworthy unless it’s airgapped these days.

Still not addressing the critique. We banalize authoritarianism by putting things at the same level, when they should not be.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

908B64B197 wrote: post #227
dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

Interestingly, people have been trying to flee Lithuania for the US when the USSR was still around, and not the other way around. I wonder if they might be skeptical of another communist regime starting to interfere with the country. Worked so well the last time...

In hindsight we know that red scare was as bad as the thing they were fighting against

As the Cold War intensified, the frenzy over the perceived threat posed by Communists in the U.S. became known as the Red Scare. The United States government responded by creating the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), which was charged with identifying Communist threats to the United States. HUAC often pressured witnesses to surrender names and other information that could lead to the apprehension of Communists and Communist sympathizers. Committee members branded witnesses as “red” if they refused to comply or hesitated in answering committee questions.

with the only exception that Americans could not flee from persecutions.

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Post by throwhehehe »

pphysch wrote: post #223
pulse7 wrote: post #215

The blacklist is interesting, because it maybe shows China's government interests - some of which are not widely known: - "Independence of Mongolia" - Does this show they would like to acquire Mongolia (when the time will be appropriate)? - "The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine" - Does this show pro-Israel support?

"People's Daily newspaper" is a pretty big counterexample that everyone is conveniently ignoring.

The common thread here is how Beijing is afraid from organized ethnic minority movements, religious movements and/or societies from the civil society that could have their own independent ideas.

They are not that different from other Leninist inspired governments. Cuba does that. Vietnam does that. The Soviet Union certainly did that.

These governments always lose their minds with the idea of people organizing themselves and the controlling party having no control whatsoever about these groups.

I have no idea how the People's Daily plays into that. Maybe the readership is so small and it attracts a certain type of personality that Zhongnanhai thinks it is a good idea to report on them.

I've read that the major clique in the CCP certainly wasn't happy about students calling themselves Maoists and supporting workers striking.

I don't know much about China to say about that nor if the People's Daily has many people reading it.

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Post by Foomf »

lmilcin wrote: post #62

I wonder why is anybody still surprised. China has no qualms invading privacy of anybody. They will try any and every way to get whatever they need and they are pretty effective at it. Ever read about making business in China? What we call cheating or stealing is a standard business practice there. If you point it out they will back off and try somewhere else, ad nauseam. It is practically part of Chinese culture and…

Your post reminds me of the time people in China rioted because students were not allowed to cheat on their exams. There really is something cultural going on there.

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by bassman9000 »

adolph wrote: post #225
bassman9000 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always link some news article on the FBI abuses. But you also have a gmail address, so I don't understand the reaction.

Having a gmail address is important to not stick out. https://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/gray-man-stra...

If you don't use it for anything interesting, you're sticking out even more. A void can be as revealing.

If you're using it for something interesting, well, you're not sticking out in the "not having gmail" camp, but what's the point.

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