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Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by beerandt »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #155
beerandt wrote: post #67

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Banking has to be the dumbest "security" industry there is. Restrict apps, but can still log in via browser. I have one bank app that actually says to screenshot a payment screen for your records, while blocking screenshots via app policy.

> Restrict apps, but can still log in via browser. This isn't paradoxical. You treat the browser as a less trusted security domain than a phone, which usually has a secure boot chain, strong sandboxing, encrypted disk, reliable hardware cryptography etc, and therefore provide a different/better service on the phone. If a phone is missing one of these expected components then you're not the target market for the app,…

What can a phone OS do to an app that a modern browser can't do to a webpage, as it relates to being a frontend to your bank account?

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Post by rojeee »

lmilcin wrote: post #193
marderfarker2 wrote: post #188

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> It is practically part of Chinese culture and upbringing. Wow. Didn’t expect such blanket and shallow statement on HN. Are you a Chinese yourself? On what basis do you base your assumptions on? Really. > What we call cheating or stealing is a standard business practice there. If you point it out they will back off and try somewhere else, ad nauseam. Now this is something that is attributable to human behaviour. Pre…

> But why did you single out the Chinese? For my experience working with Chinese and other peoples' reports of the same? I have worked for a company that has outsourced production to a Chinese company. They would try new trick every other month. Replacing parts for cheaper substitutes, skipping process steps, using counterfeit components. You point it out, they fix it, then they do the same when you are not looking a…

I lived in China for a year and vouch for this type of behaviour. It’s just considered normal in China. The really odd thing is that when you call them out on it, they are super polite. Eg they will always try to give foreigners fake money but after a while you can spot the fakes “zhe shi jia de!!”, you say (This is fake!) and they apologise and give you a real one. At the same time, you earn respect from them. It’s just all very odd but you get used to it. Whilst I enjoyed living in China, I don’t want to ever go back.

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Post by pphysch »

pulse7 wrote: post #215

The blacklist is interesting, because it maybe shows China's government interests - some of which are not widely known: - "Independence of Mongolia" - Does this show they would like to acquire Mongolia (when the time will be appropriate)? - "The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine" - Does this show pro-Israel support?

"People's Daily newspaper" is a pretty big counterexample that everyone is conveniently ignoring.

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lazide wrote: post #209
dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

Well, if you have anything on your Chinese phone (assuming it dead leak/back door back to China) that could get you arrested by the FBI - then whoever in China who had that ability to use it could then blackmail you with threats of arrest by the FBI if they told them, and you’d be in even worse shape right? Especially since then they’d probably have you do things that would result in even more jail time if caught tha…

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Post by adolph »

bassman9000 wrote: post #201
dvh wrote: post #198

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Nice try!

You could always link some news article on the FBI abuses. But you also have a gmail address, so I don't understand the reaction.

Having a gmail address is important to not stick out.

https://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/gray-man-stra...

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Post by heavyset_go »

mzs wrote: post #140
bitcurious wrote: post #79

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Off the top of my head, theu can censor at the keyboard level, at the SMS level, and at the camera level: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/pgk8y3/xiaomi_camer...

I don't think that camera thing was censorship, instead bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/pgk8y3/comment/hbf5... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28395885

Censorship of the Taiwanese flag by Apple on the iPhone for users in China manifested itself as a crash whenever the Taiwan flag emoji was used[1].

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-china-censorship-bug-iphon...

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Post by 908B64B197 »

dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

Interestingly, people have been trying to flee Lithuania for the US when the USSR was still around, and not the other way around.

I wonder if they might be skeptical of another communist regime starting to interfere with the country. Worked so well the last time...

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Post by academia_hack »

pulse7 wrote: post #215

The blacklist is interesting, because it maybe shows China's government interests - some of which are not widely known: - "Independence of Mongolia" - Does this show they would like to acquire Mongolia (when the time will be appropriate)? - "The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine" - Does this show pro-Israel support?

China absolutely has designs on Mongolia. The whole existence of the modern Mongolian state is a mess of cold-war / world war 2 geopolitical compromises that left basically no one happy. If Sino-Russian relations cool, or the climate of Mongolia itself warms, it could quickly find itself in an awkward spot between two notoriously bad-faith superpowers and with essentially no alternatives to vassalage.

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Post by reginold »

dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

The scan is not for English words. Extract from table 14.... =================================================== No.: Original - Approximate translation 1 "宗教虔信者阵线", “Front of religious believers”, ... 22 "西藏自由", “Free Tibet”, ... 60 "蒙古独立", “Independence of Mongolia”, 61 "89民运", “89 Democracy Movement”, 62 "基督灵恩布道团", “Christian charismatic mission”, ... 145 "伊斯兰联盟", “Islamic League”, ... 201 "民运", “Democratic Movement”, 202 "妇女委员会", “Women’s Committee”, 203 "伊斯兰马格里布基地组织", “Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb”, 204 "人民报", “People’s daily newspaper”, 205 "巴勒斯坦解放组织", “The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine”,
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