“ We persuade our minds that liking pictures and joining virtual groups gives us a sense of belonging. Connection with others” Except in many cases its not persuasion. Joining groups actually does give us these things. My gf is part of “bay area moms” group and the amount of useful tips she gets out of participating in that is significant. Or “bay area hikers” for me. Also, if i want to sell something, I hire faceboo…
Reasons to Quit Social Media
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
What exactly is wrong with that? We decided we wanted to derive cars, but without the harmful effects of being in crashes, so we decided to create safer vehicles. I like some drugs, and a lot of them are okay in some situations with some boundaries... even if a lot of the users are using them for unhealthy reasons in situations that make the drugs problematic. I like social media-- I'm literally using it right now to…
> I like social media-- I'm literally using it right now to communicate with you If you're extending the definition of social media to include sites like Hacker News, you may as well categorize the entire Internet as social media
I feel that the sine qua non of "social media" is user generated content conducted between specific users, tied to specific accounts.
Not even wikis meet that definition, and certainly not most of the author-generated content-based site like blogs or market sites such as amazon, or news sites where the discussion isn't the putative content.
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#143I think part of the problem today with individuals trying to figure out how to moderate their social media usage is that it's not clear what specifically within social media constitutes harm. Is it the like/upvote mechanism? Hacker News would constitute harmful social media in that case. But what might be lost is a powerful lever for democratic input in terms of content curation and moderation. My vote for what's mor…
I think the problem is not necessarily things such as likes, upvotes, shares or other features but platforms which don't consider Goodhart's law when they introduce them. Large Reddits tend toward bland and repetitive cookie-cutter content not solely because Reddit has a voting mechanism, but because the site's structure allows that mechanism to be highly vulnerable to karma farming. There are many casual users who d…
That's an interesting point. The ThinkPad subreddit has been taken over by "Thinkstagram" photos. People seem to love them, based on the votes, but I'd hoped for a place to have actual discussion of ThinkPads.
Of course even being text-only may not help. I used to be an active participant in the old ThinkPad mailing list. A small group but very knowledgeable people with interesting discussion of ThinkPad issues.
But then one person turned the list into his own tech support channel. He would ask things like "How do I do X in Microsoft Word?" People would tell him "That's not really a ThinkPad question." And he would say "Yeah, but you are the smartest people I know, so I figured I would ask here."
After that went on for a while I kind of lost interest in the mailing list and unsubscribed.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it the like/upvote mechanism? Hacker News would constitute harmful social media in that case. The way I've started to look at it is that all social media has some harmful and some beneficial aspects, but the nexus of identity-based (vs topic-based like HN) social media with upvote/like functionality is the most problematic for people struggling with identity and self worth. Even as someone established enough not…
Hacker News IS harmful because there's no established standard for what should receive an upvote or downvote (>500 karma can downvote). This leads to people just upvoting things they agree with and downvoting things they don't. It's all groupthink. Alternatively, all well thought out comments should receive upvotes (despite personal cognitive dissonance) and inflammatory, trolling, or irrelevant comments should be do…
but I would like to see how an established standard could be set for what should or shouldn't be upvoted?
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what little it's worth, I've been online since Compuserve and personal local BBSs... I absolutely consider HN to be social media.
Mind sharing why? Is it the features or something else? When I think back 20 years to forums, HN feels most like those to me. It feels nothing like what most people call "social media"
tied to specific accounts, where users have one-to-one public conversations and those conversations are foregrounded as the site's content.
I do feel that message forums/ usenet/ bbs/ etc meet those criteria in various ways and I do consider them forms of social media.
I know that this seems overly broad to some people (and they have good reasons even if I don't agree with them in the end). I don't think "social media" is a pejorative in the way a lot of folks use the term... I mean, sure, HN deals with a lot of the horrible parts of what can be done with that media in healthier ways than, say, myspace did.
But just because HN makes it harder to track specific users doesn't mean that it can't be done... people very much do have specific accounts here, and I have often looked up past commentary these users have generated to get more context about their points.
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#146Def feel a validation dopamine fix from engagement...but it's not the only factor.
(This is why I love Tinybeans and hope it rockets. It's like Instagram but for sharing family pics.)
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you drink coffee?
Do you eat food? Do you breathe air? Somehow coffee is completely different. Somehow coffee is on the same tier as tobacco or cocaine. It's not. Relax. Enjoy a cocoa.
"I don't want to stop eating food, I just want food that is not going to harm me while I eat it"
"I don't want to stop breathing air, I just want air that is not going to harm me while I breath it"
I don't want to cease all contact with other people. I want to interact socially in non-harmful ways.
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#148I don't want to quit social media What I want is for interactions with other people in online social spaces to be less destructive.
I have the exact opposite opinion, let’s confront them: real-life social spaces are toxic to me, and I seek refuge in computers, where you experience me. If we were a little less toxic to each others, maybe online wouldn’t be a high concentration of people retired from real life?
- Real life has a dump of major problems that “social people” constantly refuse to fix.
- And each time we bring them up, it’s the bane of your life, we get all the names, downvotes, exaggerations, parody, “we’re in $CURRENT_YEAR”, “Have you tried to man up?”, “You’re frustrated”, etc.
- And the problem continues. Online, are you are just meeting with the people that are invisible to you in real life.
The status of the scientific understanding today of gender imbalance in programming (excluding improper studies with doubtful scientific process) is that little boys end up in programming because it’s the only thing in the family which behaves expectedly, doesn’t sulk, calls mum, gets angry for expressing things as they are, retributes effort, etc. Making a little more room for boys in real life would also correct gender imbalance in IT.
It may even make that fewer people in general go to IT and science in general, because they would be more satisfied with real-life interactions. Science would go slower, but people would be happier.
It’s a tough path, but really one that upgrades the lives of millions.
Do you want to take it?
Re: Reasons to Quit Social Media
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what little it's worth, I've been online since Compuserve and personal local BBSs... I absolutely consider HN to be social media.
> For what little it's worth, I've been online since Compuserve and personal local BBSs... > I absolutely consider HN to be social media. I've been online for the same period of time, and I absolutely do not consider HN to be social media. Sure, there are some commonalities like upvotes, but I consider (my opinion only) these to be important criteria of something "being" social media: a) Most importantly, a friends/c…
I feel that the sine qua non of "social media" is user generated content conducted between specific users:
tied to specific accounts, where users have one-to-one public conversations and those conversations are foregrounded as the site's content.
I don't agree that knowing who has up/down voted a comment is as fundamental as the fact that the sites' content -is- the comment.
And while the system doesn't foreground user accounts, I have often found it helpful to look at a user's contributions to better understand their commentary.
Finally, the fact that it's entirely possible to implement a "friends" list or a "feed" based on search results (and that this would apply to the foregrounded content of the site) seems to me to indicate that there's not just a social aspect to the content here, but that this is, in fact a social media site.
I mean, I could search user reviews on IMBD, amazon, or the wiki, but I've never found that to be in line with how I use those sites... here the conversations are the entire reason I use the site. That user generated content is the whole thing for me.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you drink coffee?
Yep, and I can't wake up with out it, nor can I stop using it despite multiple attempts. Dependence is a harm of it's own.