Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted • Hacker News Board

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by ziml77 » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #15

vernie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweeney's out here fighting for the right of the little guy to groom young gambling addicts.

Fortnite doesn't have lootboxes.

I had to look it up myself because I didn't believe you, but it really does appear to be the case that Fortnite doesn't have random loot boxes and they removed them from Rocket League after purchasing that game.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by simion314 » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

vernie wrote: post #14

bnt wrote: post #8

Rich guy complaining about another Rich guy. I don't care. If this was a small app developer complaining, I would care. The more little devs complain, the more can come together and sue the crap out of Apple. 1 big Co suing another big Co = nobody cares. Tim isn't helping the small developers, he just wants to make more money for himself. Small devs will still get screwed.

Sweeney's out here fighting for the right of the little guy to groom young gambling addicts.

Timmy from Apple could ban lootboxes if he cares, instead he is taxing them and makes ton of cache(it was revealed that Apple makes a lot more money from games then from apps)

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by mcphage » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

morsch wrote: post #20

Has the unavailability of the game on iOS sold a meaningful number of Android devices?

Probably not—Epic stated in the court hearing that mobile was a small percentage of their sales; most of their business was on consoles.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by nradov » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:01 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #3

If a person gets convicted of a crime and sentenced to jail, they have to go to jail right after sentencing, even if they plan to appeal. Why is this situation different?

This is a civil case, not criminal. And even in some low level criminal cases, convicts are sometimes allowed a few days to get their affairs in order before reporting to jail or prison.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by wetjen » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

This is simply savvy maneuvering by apple.

Frequently these cases are appealed and new terms introduced to the judgement. Apple doesn’t want to give away any negotiating position until this is fully resolved.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by occamrazor » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #3

If a person gets convicted of a crime and sentenced to jail, they have to go to jail right after sentencing, even if they plan to appeal. Why is this situation different?

That’s not always true. Sentences can be, and frequently are, deferred while the appeal is evaluated.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by lwansbrough » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:07 PM UTC

wetjen wrote: post #25

This is simply savvy maneuvering by apple. Frequently these cases are appealed and new terms introduced to the judgement. Apple doesn’t want to give away any negotiating position until this is fully resolved.

Savvy is one way to put it.

As an app developer it simply makes me not want to work with Apple at all, but of course I'm forced to for some reason.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by TheAdamist » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:09 PM UTC

...and if the final appeal goes against apple it will coincidentally be blacklisted for an entirely unrelated and new reason shortly thereafter.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by conk » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #5

conk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The court ruling didn’t require apple to reinstate epic’s developer account. Apple can still, at their discretion, decide who can and can’t develop apps for iOS and Mac app stores.

In that case, why didn't they just say Epic is banned forever? What do appeals have to do with it?

I believe most companies would refrain from engaging in new business with a customer who has pending litigation against them. Apple may not want to ban them and is just waiting until the appeal process has settled before reengaging with Epic under whatever terms are ultimately agreed upon between both parties and the courts.

Re: Fortnite will be blacklisted by Apple until all appeals exhausted

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Post by lwansbrough » Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

bnt wrote: post #8

Rich guy complaining about another Rich guy. I don't care. If this was a small app developer complaining, I would care. The more little devs complain, the more can come together and sue the crap out of Apple. 1 big Co suing another big Co = nobody cares. Tim isn't helping the small developers, he just wants to make more money for himself. Small devs will still get screwed.

What an incredibly lazy argument. Sweeney is a developer through and through, not some soulless suit like Cook. Relatively speaking, Epic Games is a "small app developer". You're talking about a billion dollar company with a single game they want to sell vs. a trillion dollar company that owns the entire ecosystem.