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Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by aeturnum »

IceWreck wrote: post #18

> Have Brave Rewards (their crypto-and-ads service) turned on If this is true then its another shady thing by a self proclaimed privacy company. They used to do the protection racket thing where they indirectly threatened website owners with the ultimatum that if they don't work with them, they will man-in-the-middle them to replace the website's ads with their own and not give them a cut of the profit. Also, Brave h…

I don't understand why Brave Rewards needs to be enabled, but it seems very normal for the company operating a service to require some kind of account or membership. If you don't trust Brave this is probably not the service for you.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by endisneigh »

DonHopkins wrote: post #28
endisneigh wrote: post #17

I wonder if Brave (the company) is what Mozilla would look like if Eich ended up being CEO of Mozila. EDIT: Some people took offense, so I am more explicit in my hypothetical here.

How many times does this need to be repeated? Mozilla didn't fire Brendan Eich. He resigned of his own free will, against the Mozilla board's request that he stay. His own words and the Mozilla FAQ quoted below, I'm not just making this up. Down the following thread, Brendan suggested googling "constructive separation" -- but I'm not sure if he meant for that euphemism to apply to how he left his job at Mozilla, or t…

I didn't say Mozilla fired Eich. The reality is, per your own source, is that Eich was going to be CEO, and he was no longer given that role, so he left. Given that he was already CTO before this debacle, the board trying to get him to stay in another C-suite role is effectively a demotion.

You also don't acknowledge that half of Mozilla's board resigned immediately after his appointment to CEO and one board member cited his appointment as explicitly being the reason.

No one is going to stay under those circumstances. So his choices were basically stay at Mozilla, whose very own employees were protesting his appointment, or leave. I'm going to stick with "forced out." I find it amusing that Mozilla in your source insists that he wasn't forced out, when their own recounting of the events only leads one to believe he resigned to due the intense organized protests surrounding his appointment. Ultimately you'd have to ask Eich privately to know for sure. All I'll say is that when someone is demoted, they're going to leave. Whether that's CEO or Senior Software Engineer.

I don't even agree with Eich's own (former) positions on same-sex marriage, but let's call it what it is, yes? Now, whether or not his forcing out was good, or just, is another matter, and discussion entirely.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by blitzar »

olah_1 wrote: post #14
slenk wrote: post #10

https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/ for the ability to do it with any browser and not having to opt in to their ads.

Brave is technically using this SaaS solution from the company that develops Jitsi: https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/

So it is just Jitsi with a shitcoin scam attached?

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by [deleted] »

DonHopkins wrote: post #28
endisneigh wrote: post #17

I wonder if Brave (the company) is what Mozilla would look like if Eich ended up being CEO of Mozila. EDIT: Some people took offense, so I am more explicit in my hypothetical here.

How many times does this need to be repeated? Mozilla didn't fire Brendan Eich. He resigned of his own free will, against the Mozilla board's request that he stay. His own words and the Mozilla FAQ quoted below, I'm not just making this up. Down the following thread, Brendan suggested googling "constructive separation" -- but I'm not sure if he meant for that euphemism to apply to how he left his job at Mozilla, or t…

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Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by deeblering4 »

bool3max wrote: post #6
open-paren wrote: post #4

To start a call, there is a requirement that you are 1) Using the Brave Browser 2) Have Brave Rewards (their crypto-and-ads service) turned on. Not loving that. Edit: the first one is fine (although a little strange that it is a requirement here but not for their other products, like Brave Search). I'm irked by the second one.

I bet you are loving that it's free though.

It’s not free, it just doesn't cost any money.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by blitzar »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #15
nicce wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is just very hard to trust them... they get caught on very hostile things again and again, when they promise that won't happen again. In the end, they are yet another ad based company.

Is Mozilla any better? They’ve lost their way and Google remains their largest source of income.

Hard to imply they are a paid shill of google when they are the only thing stopping us from Chrome browser 100% adoption rate.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by runawaybottle »

blitzar wrote: post #33
olah_1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave is technically using this SaaS solution from the company that develops Jitsi: https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/

So it is just Jitsi with a shitcoin scam attached?

I think jitsi as a service is not free. So Brave is at least covering the cost of leveraging the service.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by jjulius »

Spivak wrote: post #23
IceWreck wrote: post #18

> Have Brave Rewards (their crypto-and-ads service) turned on If this is true then its another shady thing by a self proclaimed privacy company. They used to do the protection racket thing where they indirectly threatened website owners with the ultimatum that if they don't work with them, they will man-in-the-middle them to replace the website's ads with their own and not give them a cut of the profit. Also, Brave h…

I do think that Brave would be 100% in the clear (same with any browser or extension) to "MiTM", modify, or refuse to display any part of any web page. I don't really want to set any kind of precent that browsers should somehow be forced to display web pages exactly as sent.

>I don't really want to set any kind of precent that browsers should somehow be forced to display web pages exactly as sent.

That's... exactly what I want.

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by jqpabc123 »

nicce wrote: post #19
dkdk8283 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Mozilla any better? They’ve lost their way and Google remains their largest source of income.

It is true that they get most of their income by setting Google as default search engine. However, they do not promote or support Google's way to do many things, and all of the evidence is pointing that privacy is everything they have in their brand, and they haven't done user hostile things in the past. They have attempted many kinds of new business models. VPN partnership with Mullavad is really promising one, and…

all of the evidence is pointing that privacy is everything they have in their brand

That probably explains why their brand is declining.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/study...

Re: Brave Talk – Privacy-Preserving Video Conferencing

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Post by blitzar »

runawaybottle wrote: post #37
blitzar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it is just Jitsi with a shitcoin scam attached?

I think jitsi as a service is not free. So Brave is at least covering the cost of leveraging the service.

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