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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bambax »

ansible wrote: post #800
bambax wrote: post #579

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It works fine. It has 6 5.25 bays, and 2 3.5 ones. It is steel and heavy, but it never moves.

I'm still curious about the motherboard itself. The old PC cases didn't have a rectangular cut-out for IO panel, and probably didn't have the motherboard stand-off screws in the correct locations. I suppose with time and care you could modify an old case to take an ATX motherboard, but I'm not sure how well that would work. You'd also likely need to mod the power supply mounting, add cooling and fan mounts, and more.

Over the years I did move the stand-off screws but didn't need to make new holes, plenty of holes were already there. I changed the power supply many times but it always fit, I think it's standard... Fans are on the mother board, there are no fan mounts directly on the case?

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Post by schmorptron »

smsm42 wrote: post #808
superjan wrote: post #566

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For me, that is a selling point! Widescreen is nice for movies, but when coding or browsing more lines is way more useful.

Hear, hear! When coding (or reading) vertical space is much more important than horizontal space. Reading 300 characters wide is impossible, consequently also code also has to have shorter lines. So if your screen is ultra-wide, you either split it into areas (for which laptop screen is not big enough) or just waste a part of it. Vertical space, OTOH, is almost always used 100%. That's why I have all my widescreen di…

On the other hand, on a 16:9 or 16:10 screen you can have two windows side by side and still get enough horizontal space to read enough of a line.

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Post by spuz »

resonious wrote: post #804
PolCPP wrote: post #714

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How are thermals though? My xps 13 with 2 fans can get hot enough to be unconfortable, so i can't imagine how it will be with a single fan

I really wish people talked about this stuff more when it comes to laptops. Hot temps and loud fans are a super turn-off for me. I'm willing to compromise performance for a quieter, cooler runtime, but usually all I can find out about a laptop is its processor clock speed and a horribly inaccurate battery life estimate.

Most of the laptops reviewed by Linus Tech Tips consider thermals and fan noise.

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Post by kzrdude »

deadmutex wrote: post #519
collinvandyck76 wrote: post #84

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Same here but for fan noise. Since I've gotten the m1 macbook air, I don't think I can go back to a laptop that runs hot and needs a fan. In the event that I must get a non-m1 laptop, I can definitely see myself buying the framework laptop and putting ubuntu on it.

Ehn.. I used to be like you. Once I used Pixelbook, a superthin fanless device, I was in awe. Pixelbook Go was similar fanless device as well. But, then I realized that they have their limitations. With a fan, one can achieve much better performance when needed. So, now, I prefer a laptop that can passively cool for normal day to day work, and then for heavy workloads take advantage of the fan. I got the framework la…

You're right about cooling for intel/amd, with the note that the M1 is a whole different beast - it can deliver good performance with only passive cooling anyway

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Post by kzrdude »

kjaftaedi wrote: post #751
Johnny555 wrote: post #194

What are the long term prospects for this company? I'd like to have a repairable/upgradable laptop, but if they go out of business in a year, it's not much of an improvement over a Macbook... granted, it'd be some improvement since I could replace/upgrade commodity components like RAM or the hard drive but if the motherboard or display fails, I have to buy a new laptop.

Seems like what they have is in high demand and they only have an ANSI keyboard, which is only really used by the US and China (and people that don't mind limitations) Once they offer an ISO keyboard layout, you would expect demand to be even higher.

I'm not sure the keyboard layout would stop me. I'd order a US layout one if I could (to a European country)

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Post by kzrdude »

MayorMonty wrote: post #685
Sebb767 wrote: post #654

I find it kind of strange that they don't have a dual-usb c card. There seems to be more than enough space and putting two usb c ports on a single card would allow to carry a wider variety of cards without loosing out on standard ports. Is this possibly because of charging? It seems like such an easy and obvious thing to do.

From what I read, it was because they couldn't fit the charging circuitry for both into the dongle. Better to not deal with the confusion of one not charging

Unfortunate. What about a dual USB-A one though?

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Post by ur-whale »

someperson wrote: post #785
ur-whale wrote: post #784

No Ryzen option. No 16 inch screen option. No numpad option. Pass.

Your comment reminds me of that infamous iPod review from 2001: > No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

I didn't say "lame" which would have been a general comment about the product.

I said "pass" which simply means it doesn't work for me, for the 3 reasons I listed:

     - sub-par CPU
     - screen too small
     - keyboard missing key features

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Post by andi999 »

NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

What about Teclast f5. 11.6 inch, 1.1kg, 256 SSD, 8 GB RAM, worse screen worse processor, price 310$.

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Post by dpatterbee »

rmason wrote: post #849

Jason Calacanis has an interview tonight with the founder of the Frame Work laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfVZhCTx6Tc&t=34s (starts 13 minutes in) I checked out the site and found one problem with it. I had no way of knowing both the screen resolution and whether the hard drive it ships is SSD or not. It is a very intriguing idea though.

The answer to both your queries are on this page.

https://frame.work/laptop

NVMe SSDs and 2256x1504

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