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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

> arrow keys as Apple does it

No. NO!!

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I would clarify that - it is not in their best interests to care. what they want is: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. If you are "price insensitive" they will allow you to get a better cpu or more memory for a significant upcharge. next year, they want: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. They do not want you upgrading the cpu or memory yourself They do not want you to add next-year…

I wanted to buy a new laptop last year and was shocked: 1/ A lot of them (most?) had 8Go of RAM. 16Go is rare and 32Go even more. What year is it?! 2/ Most have soldiered RAM without an additional slot.

Soldered ram significantly decreases repair incidents (from unseated laptop ram) and increases runtime reliability (from direct electrical contact of said ram). It allows for the machine to ship with an optimized ram configuration (lane count, timing). It also reduces the part cost and device footprint.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

To be fair, if a company wants to produce something that only works on one set of hardware, that should be fine. We simple choose not to use it, right? And many of us /do/ choose to use it? But why do we choose to? Because we find that we're too busy to maintain a Linux-based workstation. While there are questionable practices by Apple and many other machine producers, what you can't argue against is that in limiting…

> We simple choose not to use it, right?

As if choosing a $1k+ computer to use for years was equivalent to choosing the flavor of ice cream scoops.

The "voting with your wallet" argument doesn't work when there's several variables in play, and the optimal configurations don't exist on the market. Like e.g. I'd like to buy a computer that's just like Macbook, except with repairable/swappable/upgradeable components. Or a phone that's just like iPhone, except with replaceable battery, a headphone jack, and repairable home button. But I can't have them - even if I'm ready to pay a bit extra, and if I'd welcome a thicker device. These options literally don't exist. Nothing similar to them exists. Particularly on the repairability front, every vendor is choosing to just not offer it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The article contains a link to the page where one can customize a Framework order https://frame.work/laptop-diy-edition The problem with this page is that I can't see which component is selected, even after I click on them. Zooming in, I see that selection means coloring the thin border in red. About 8% of male adults have at least a minor trouble with colors, usually green and red, so that UI is annoying/unusable fo…

It's a 2px border, so I guess that only really works with lower-resolution screens, anyway. It probably should have been specified with a unit like `rem` instead, (the background should also stay different instead of only on transition).

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

There are legit security reasons you’d want this. Giving the owner of the equipment the ability to manage this would have been the appropriate solution.

There are legit security reasons to employ platforms that accommodate in-house repair. 'Security' can also include requirements for traceability at the component level.

Security isn't a product.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#386

I don’t really want an exciting laptop. And I don’t want dongles that plug INTO the laptop. I just want a more powerful 1st gen unibody aluminum MacBook. That was the sweet spot for me. Good ports. Removable battery. Removable memory. Removable disk.

That was the best computer I ever owned. I used it every day for seven years, long after it was obsolete.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#387

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

For all my love of chording and old macs, for that matter, trackpoint touch typist I will ever remain. I rever Doctorow, but I reward myself otherwise. Smoking Cuban on occassion. A new used thinkpad every 2 years or ssd. The builds run in obs and writing can nicely obtain on a light x220.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!

Back when I was making crap wages, I would get the cheapest laptops I could afford that would more or less give me decent performance (on the order of ~$500-600). It's not too hard to find a new laptop that performs well at a reasonable price, but you always run the risk of them reclaiming those costs by cheaping out on all the mechanics of it, and it's not like I was able to afford paying ~$2000 for a high-quality m…

In my experience, it's the laptop case that always fails first. So it's disappointing to see the trend toward ultra-thin cases.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#389
Wait, wait, wait. The Framework is supposed to be entirely customizable. Except I have to buy Windows 10 Home, which has an OEM cost of, what, about $100? And I have to have the little Windows icon on my keyboard. This alone gets me thinking about other options.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

To be fair, if a company wants to produce something that only works on one set of hardware, that should be fine. We simple choose not to use it, right? And many of us /do/ choose to use it? But why do we choose to? Because we find that we're too busy to maintain a Linux-based workstation. While there are questionable practices by Apple and many other machine producers, what you can't argue against is that in limiting…

I agree with your larger point, regarding limited hardware support, etc.

I agree that Apple shouldn't have to support random mods / hardware components / etc and that their selling point is "it just works".

But then again, they don't have to be dicks about it. If they're able to detect that the hardware has somehow been modified, maybe just show some message along the lines of "you've modified the hardware, we're not supporting this anymore, you're on your own" instead of bricking it.

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