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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by KptMarchewa »

akiselev wrote: post #174
epistasis wrote: post #39

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Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

> The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time. My last desktop build is still going strong nine years later. Swapped out a broken motherboard, upgraded to OCed DDR3, and stuck in a PCIe card for NVMe: good as new.

Graphics card I bought 5 years ago - 1060 6GB - is currently worth pretty much the same as it was then, despite the fact that it's used.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by peeters »

ashtonkem wrote: post #295
joemi wrote: post #260

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I keep my personal computer at my desk in my apartment almost all of the time, and for the past decade have used a desktop since I pretty much never needed to move it. But over that decade with a desktop, I found myself wanting - craving - the ability to easily take my computer on trips, or into the living room from time to time, etc. Not a lot of movement, but the possibility for it. But the concept of having files/…

I have a laptop plugged into a dock, from which it basically never moves. If it was a desktop nothing would change. The one thing I want to do in a mobile fashion is take notes and do zoom meetings, a need that my iPad meets handily.

Well OK but now you're already not comparing laptops to desktops, you're comparing laptops to desktop+iPad.

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Post by squarefoot »

tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

Besides planned obsolescence and other malicious intentions, there are also economies of scale to consider: if making a non modular/repairable laptop cost to a producer just one less buck, that's a lot of money when multiplied by the huge number they sell.

That said, I love the concept and plan to buy one next year, when they hopefully will have means to sell in the EU without outrageous shipping+import duties.

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Post by riedel »

xondono wrote: post #294
riedel wrote: post #106

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Unfortunately currently framework says it is impossible to have a slim, tiny , customizable laptop with a trackpoint option (due to the keyboard height). Hopefully we will overcome this one too and I would be all in...

I’ve never understood the trackpoint use case, the (admittedly few) computers I’ve had with it, I just felt it a nuisance in the middle of the keyboard.

To the same goes for the trackpad for me. I am always disabling them to avoid accidental contact. I guess this is why we need more customizable devices.

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Post by onli »

jagger27 wrote: post #199
bitwize wrote: post #69

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Linus has now invested in Framework, which constrains how he is allowed to review laptops on his channel because of the possibility of a conflict of interest. He says it's worth it to support what he believes is a great company with an awesome product vision.

Linus has shown his flagrant disregard for impartiality or any form of integrity over and over again. Look through the LTT back catalogue and you’ll see that Intel is big sponsor of theirs. The fact that he gives “honest” reviews of Intel products doesn’t magically make it okay. You’d never see Dr. Ian Cutress of AnandTech or Steve from GamersNexus pulling this shit. Of course he makes much more money than both of th…

GamersNexus is all the time reviewing stuff positively and then taking on the same enterprise as sponsor. They can do that because their viewers know that they will still be very critical with the next product.

LTT also really always had the proper balance. Sponsored reviews are marked, sponsored segments are marked, and they are not holding back on negative reviews for long term channel sponsors. They totally ripped into Intel again and again for the failure to compete with AMD, and at the same time have Intel sponsor new hardware upgrades for team members in a sponsored mini-series. Totally fair.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by NotPractical »

epistasis wrote: post #39
topspin wrote: post #33

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Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

Your desktop doesn't have a battery in it, like laptops do. Batteries are the one component in a laptop that is guaranteed to degrade over the course of a few years and eventually make the product unusable. The battery is glued in on the MacBook Pro, so it will eventually become useless. It's as simple as that, and very unfortunate. It's nice to have the option to upgrade the other parts too, though, and why not expect this, if it's clearly possible, as the Framework laptop shows?

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Post by bm3719 »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

I use these exclusively and have the trackpad disabled on my Thinkpad (an old x230).

The #1 reason I use it is to not move my hands when I need to do a pointing operation. You can get very precise with it too, but it takes some getting used to. I'm a klutz with a trackpad now, since I've been using the pointer for so many years. I use a tiling window manager and very few GUI apps (often even using the web in w3m), so mousing isn't as important for me, which is another factor.

I wouldn't play a video game with it, of course, but I'd imagine trackpads suck at those too.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by mdoms »

afterburner wrote: post #134
dickfickling wrote: post #58

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As the other comments have noted, Cory addresses this further down in the linked post. He further expanded on this in the post he wrote when he quit smoking[0]: > That was my homework: go away and think of an immediate reason not to smoke. When I came back, I had my answer ready: “I spend two laptops per year on smokes. That money goes directly to the dirtiest companies on Earth, the literal inventors of the science-…

Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.

Can't take your money to the grave man. Cory is well set up and isn't hurting for cash.

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Post by itomato »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

You don’t mouse like I do.

Trackpoints come with The Proper Number of Buttons; 3.

You copy and paste text with a trackpoint.

You scroll with a trackpoint.

You switch workspaces with a trackpoint.

You can also mouse around, but it’s why there’s also a pad, bluetooth and USB.

It’s not lesser, it is more, a lot more.

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