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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I am growing increasingly unhappy with Thinkpads in general, but as far as I know there is no real alternative for TrackPoint users. There are some that have a TrackPoint but they lack three physical mouse button that are in reach of ones thumbs.

What would be the requirement for someone to build a trackpoint for the Framework laptop? Would they need to design a whole new keyboard plus a touchpad with the three buttons?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #60

I am growing increasingly unhappy with Thinkpads in general, but as far as I know there is no real alternative for TrackPoint users. There are some that have a TrackPoint but they lack three physical mouse button that are in reach of ones thumbs.

Why are you growing unhappy? (I have a X1 Extreme Gen 1, and Legion 7, and Legion 5 Pro, so I'm curious)

Bundled spyware. That's why I swore off Lenovo.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

Counterpoint. I won't use a keyboard without one. I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't. Touchpads have gotten better, but nothing beats the nub.

That being said, every laptop I have ever owned has had a trackpoint, so I'm a definitely biased.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

Unfortunately currently framework says it is impossible to have a slim, tiny , customizable laptop with a trackpoint option (due to the keyboard height). Hopefully we will overcome this one too and I would be all in...

I’ve never understood the trackpoint use case, the (admittedly few) computers I’ve had with it, I just felt it a nuisance in the middle of the keyboard.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #260

I still remained baffled by the popularity of the laptop. Literally everyone I know works with them fixed in one location; their desk. Yes, some people do need mobility, but this appears to be a minority of consumers. We could’ve had all this repairability and modularity years ago if most consumers just admitted that really they wanted a desktop all along. It also fixed complaints about keyboards.

I keep my personal computer at my desk in my apartment almost all of the time, and for the past decade have used a desktop since I pretty much never needed to move it. But over that decade with a desktop, I found myself wanting - craving - the ability to easily take my computer on trips, or into the living room from time to time, etc. Not a lot of movement, but the possibility for it. But the concept of having files/…

I have a laptop plugged into a dock, from which it basically never moves. If it was a desktop nothing would change.

The one thing I want to do in a mobile fashion is take notes and do zoom meetings, a need that my iPad meets handily.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> Can I use a different Operating System? > Base and Performance configurations ship with Windows 10 Home pre-installed and Professional ships with Windows 10 Pro pre-installed. You can also load your own operating system later, like a Linux distribution. So... Forced windows tax, even when Dell can manage for Linux. Yuck. Like, really yuck. And for the specs: > Base $999.00 > i5-1135G7 | 8GB Memory | 256GB Storage |…

If you get a DIY version you don’t pay the windows tax. You can also install your own cheaper ram and toss in 64gigs.

Assembly took me about 5 minutes.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!

"the author" here is well known writer Cory Doctorow. No one here seems to be making this connection, but pluralistic.net is his blog.

Ah, hehe, I got confused opening the tweet. I wonder why I had in my head that this was a woman writing the story, must be the monica-byrne in the url :)

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

There are legit security reasons you’d want this. Giving the owner of the equipment the ability to manage this would have been the appropriate solution.

The point is to take control away from the owner though.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

4k Oled? On a 15" screen seems overkill. Also OLED displays still have ghosting problems. 1440p is the sweet spot IMO.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

There are legit security reasons you’d want this. Giving the owner of the equipment the ability to manage this would have been the appropriate solution.

This. Purism offers anti-interdiction services [0] for their laptops and you still can open them and upgrade RAM/SSD.

[0] https://puri.sm/security/

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