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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

Its all about leaving the hands on the home row. If you don‘t touch type you will not „get“ it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.

Sounds like giving up one addiction for another. But I guess buying laptops yearly is better for your health than smoking.

While acutely better for the individual, surely the e-waste and resource sequestration outweigh that over time

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I hope this starts a trend! For the past 25 years that I've been building machines I've never upgraded the processor or motherboard - but I've added memory, added more storage or replaced a power supply. This fills that need just fine! Ultimately it supports up to 64 GB of RAM and 8 TB of storage! This is a machine that could last for years! Imagine now if we start standardizing on a laptop chassis, laptop motherboards, laptop keyboards, and laptop displays! We could have a builder's market just like we do today for desktops!

Honestly, this is one of the best new ideas I've seen in a long time!

P.S. Imagine ten years from now - we may be doing the same thing with phones! Oh yeah, I really hope this idea takes off!

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> it's no thick-as-a-brick throwback the size of a 2005 Thinkpad – it's approximately the same dimensions as a MacBook. So, it's a bad laptop in my book (pun not intended). You see, a laptop needs a good keyboard; and a good keyboard needs height for the keys to travel. So, a laptop needs to be kind of "think as a brick". Maybe not at 2005 levels, but definitely at 2010 levels and no thinner. However - a laptop which…

Have you tried one? I have one and it has the nicest laptop keyboard I've ever used.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

According to Clayton Christensen, there's a cycle between integrated and modular, as consumer perferences change. At first performance is inadequate, but once it is good enough, people base their buying decisions on other things like customization.

e.g. By this theory, android would become more popular than iphone.

EDIT yes, which happened, favouring the theory; despite iphone still leading performance, due to integration even to cpu and gpu.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Looks gorgeous - i wonder how the trackpad is though, otherwise seems to be a solid contender to a Macbook...

With Windows installs, they use Windows Precision drivers and feel at least as good as a Surface Book trackpad. YMMV with Linux however.

With Linux, worth following (or funding!) this work (HN passim): https://bill.harding.blog/2021/06/06/linux-touchpad-like-mac...

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

I would clarify that - it is not in their best interests to care. what they want is: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. If you are "price insensitive" they will allow you to get a better cpu or more memory for a significant upcharge. next year, they want: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. They do not want you upgrading the cpu or memory yourself They do not want you to add next-year…

I wanted to buy a new laptop last year and was shocked:

1/ A lot of them (most?) had 8Go of RAM. 16Go is rare and 32Go even more. What year is it?!

2/ Most have soldiered RAM without an additional slot.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

Where is that quote from? I wasn't able to find it via Google. Anyway, a computer that refuses to turn on after been tampered with does have its uses, particularly if your threat model is government secret services.

From his latest video where he disclosed / explained his philosphy in investing into Framework.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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this was always the promise of the beige towers of the 90s: upgradability! repairability! in practice, it seemed that all components were moving fast enough that upgrades maybe extended the life of something by a year or two at best, but ultimately all standards were constantly moving (buses, ram, cpu sockets/chipsets, storage, cases and even psus). compatibility between parts was often a crapshoot, reliability suffered because they weren't burn in tested together and at the end of the day, any major upgrade involved having to replace 90% of the components anyhow. the fully integrated systems seemed to have longer operational lifetimes, to be honest.

that said, maybe things are moving slower now, but it seems like a bit of a fetishization of a past that wasn't that great to begin with.

the focus on reducing waste is good, but honestly what is more modular here than your average laptop with memory and storage doors?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Why are you growing unhappy? (I have a X1 Extreme Gen 1, and Legion 7, and Legion 5 Pro, so I'm curious)

A few things. The newer TrackPoint caps are not good. I actually had to order some 3D printed one from some Japanese guy. Also my Thinkpad T14 is throttling to the extent that I had to install tools [1] (?) that fix this problem. Battery seems to be bad as well. Intel by the way, I wanted to have Thunderbolt for an eGPU. [1]: https://github.com/erpalma/throttled

Work gave me a dell XPS last year. I had it for a Week and gave it back because when I turned it on. The fans spin full throttle. And the laptop still throttled itself. So I use my X1E for work. The nipple is as good but it’s flat for the thin profile.

I upgraded all 3 laptops with more or better ram, wifi, and ssds. And currently ordering a Traditional Chinese keyboard for the L5P for the wifey. But I took AMD for the legions.

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