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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by avgDev »

afterburner wrote: post #134
dickfickling wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the other comments have noted, Cory addresses this further down in the linked post. He further expanded on this in the post he wrote when he quit smoking[0]: > That was my homework: go away and think of an immediate reason not to smoke. When I came back, I had my answer ready: “I spend two laptops per year on smokes. That money goes directly to the dirtiest companies on Earth, the literal inventors of the science-…

Or he could just save the money. But I guess he has to constantly reward himself for quitting? Man addiction sure is a pain.

Sounds like giving up one addiction for another. But I guess buying laptops yearly is better for your health than smoking.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by filleokus »

This isn’t a laptop for me, I want different trade offs. But I’m really excited to see it enter the space, and hopefully they will become a viable market contender.

That might both satisfy the demand often expressed, by people like us, for more upgradability/repair ability and make other manufacturers steal some of their best ideas.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by akiselev »

epistasis wrote: post #39
topspin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

> The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

My last desktop build is still going strong nine years later. Swapped out a broken motherboard, upgraded to OCed DDR3, and stuck in a PCIe card for NVMe: good as new.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by vorpalhex »

azinman2 wrote: post #164
tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

> MacOS is nice, probably my favorite consumer operating system currently available, but Apple's walled garden approach is beyond annoying What’s the walled garden on macOS? You can run anything you want on the Mac.

M1 macs no longer run unsigned code. Apps now check stapled OCSP. There's now a permissions dance to do much of anything.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by FredFS456 »

leetcrew wrote: post #168
tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option. at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capaci…

Newer laptops are starting to come with soldered SSDs. Macbooks have had non-standard or soldered SSDs for the past 5+ years.

Framework is also proactively making documentation, schematics, etc etc available for repair shops.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by frereubu »

It seems like there are a lot of people here who change their laptop almost every year or two. Is that common? I ask because I'm still using my mid-2014 MBP, and it's only really this year that it's started feeling underpowered with the fans running quite a bit. Apple laptops are expensive for sure, but compared to upgrading every year it seems like a good deal, not to mention the problem of electronic waste. (I'm not looking for an Apple / PC fight by the way, just haven't heard of people upgrading so regularly before).

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by yccs27 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #50

I still remained baffled by the popularity of the laptop. Literally everyone I know works with them fixed in one location; their desk. Yes, some people do need mobility, but this appears to be a minority of consumers. We could’ve had all this repairability and modularity years ago if most consumers just admitted that really they wanted a desktop all along. It also fixed complaints about keyboards.

Even if you mostly work at your desk, a desktop computer has just no option for mobility if you ever want to work somewhere else temporarily. It seems like many people value the option of mobility, even if they don't use it often.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by da_chicken »

tombert wrote: post #53
ad133 wrote: post #7

This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!

Back when I was making crap wages, I would get the cheapest laptops I could afford that would more or less give me decent performance (on the order of ~$500-600). It's not too hard to find a new laptop that performs well at a reasonable price, but you always run the risk of them reclaiming those costs by cheaping out on all the mechanics of it, and it's not like I was able to afford paying ~$2000 for a high-quality m…

I bought a low end laptop back in 2005, and I used it for about 2-3 years until it started to fall apart. It just didn't hold up (hinges started to disintegrate). It's performance was terrible, too, and it couldn't be upgraded.

I got a business class laptop in 2007 for probably 3 times as much. That laptop lasted me until last month. I maxed out the RAM and replaced the HD with an SSD about 7 years ago, but it was ultimately the now-anemic CPU and graphics that got me to buy a replacement. I'd have replaced it last fall but laptop stocks were too low.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by up6w6 »

the_other wrote: post #44

But why the dongles? The go against all the principles of the rest of the design. They’re proprietary, consumable, and they waste space in the chasis. They limit what you can do with the USB-C they pass through too.

They are actually open-source[1] so you can print your own case in a 3d printer and put the circuit you want inside. About the USB-C limitation, I initially thought it was a limitation too but Im not sure after learning that you can use them as thunderbolt ports. Anyway, I think the notebook seems to be thin enough and the possibilities of dongle are exciting[2] - like magsafe chargers[3] (which seems to have some patent problems).

[1] https://community.frame.work/c/expansion-cards/developer-pro...

[2] https://community.frame.work/t/what-new-expansion-card-types...

[3] https://community.frame.work/t/youtuber-elevated-systems-mak...

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