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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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These laptops would be an instant buy from me if I could get a new AMD chip instead of the Intel CPU's.

You cannot neutralize and disable the PSP spying module in AMD processors, while in Intel ones you can do that with ME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assert....

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

> MacOS is nice, probably my favorite consumer operating system currently available, but Apple's walled garden approach is beyond annoying

What’s the walled garden on macOS? You can run anything you want on the Mac.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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But why the dongles? The go against all the principles of the rest of the design. They’re proprietary, consumable, and they waste space in the chasis. They limit what you can do with the USB-C they pass through too.

They're not totally proprietary, they've even released designs CC-BY that you can use to make your own: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionCards

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#166
> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint

This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?"

And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I wish that I needed a laptop so that I could buy one. I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop. > Yesterday, I put my 2019 Thinkpad on my pile of "laptops to refurbish and donate." I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006. I think that's over. wat

If it's any consolation, I've bought a used Thinkpad every year since 2015.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

I'm impressed that they have managed to take this product to market, and I'm glad that people who value modularity will finally have a viable option.

at the same time, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. you can upgrade both DIMMs, which is cool, but not exactly unheard of these days (I guess it's getting there in an ultraportable?). you're still stuck with DDR4, which is almost EOL, and the max capacity it entails. it's neat that you can customize your IO options, but how many people are going to do that more than once? being constrained by the chipset, it's not like you're going to be able to "upgrade" your IO in the future.

the most likely parts of a laptop to fail are the SSD and the battery, both of which are fairly easy to replace on almost all laptops. past that, you aren't really gaining that much when you're locked into whatever CPU/chipset was current when you bought the laptop.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#169
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

I've only had laptops for over a decade. And I had system board failures. Honestly, I'd rage if I had to throw it out together with the perfectly good CPU, GPU/VRAM and maybe half the RAM and pay for a used replacement board with all of those integrated. Or what, buy a rework station and risk damaging them or having them work improperly due to shit soldering skills? I guess I could learn to fix the board itself. But…

> (I'm also trying to fit a Li-Ion battery/UPS between the PSU and components)

This should totally be a thing. I wish it was a thing. It doesn't even have to provide hours of runtime, just needs to be enough to handle the occasional stupid California brownout.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I'm just waiting for an excuse to purchase a Framework laptop. My thinkpad is hanging in there (2014 model, purchased used) and I have a desktop that is more than powerful enough for the type of development I do on my own time. As soon as I get the chance, I'll be ordering one of these. Hopefully there's an AMD version out by then!
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