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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by webmobdev »

epistasis wrote: post #39
topspin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

That's only the half of it - everyone cares when they have to repair their device. You start to feel the unfairness of it when companies charge you exorbitant prices for common components because they've designed it in a non-standardised way for that particular device. Or when you face the reality of (for e.g.) having to pay to replace the whole board because of a malfunctioning soldered RAM or soldered SSD, and realise how shortsighted it was to buy a device that is designed not to be repaired.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by foxfluff »

bserge wrote: post #26
wheybags wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are BGA chips designed to be soldered on, and most people do not have the capacity to do that at home.

And why are they BGA chips these days? That's the real problem. Did mobile CPUs somehow advance past desktop ones while I wasn't looking?

Probably to shave off the cost (and volume) of a socket.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by RandyRanderson »

Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with:

. 15 or 16 inch chassis

. 4k display (OLED, if possible)

. largest battery they allow on an airplane

. no keypad

. 2x speakers facing up

. AMD, if possible

. arrow keys as Apple does it

. charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!!

Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from framework will read this. No one wants to buy a dell XPS but its the most popular windows laptop in its class for a reason.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by qorrect »

m463 wrote: post #92
topspin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

I would clarify that - it is not in their best interests to care. what they want is: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. If you are "price insensitive" they will allow you to get a better cpu or more memory for a significant upcharge. next year, they want: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. They do not want you upgrading the cpu or memory yourself They do not want you to add next-year…

Yeah came here to say this, I think what they meant to say is "It cant be done at the profit margins we want" not "It cant be done".

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by riedel »

tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

Unfortunately currently framework says it is impossible to have a slim, tiny , customizable laptop with a trackpoint option (due to the keyboard height). Hopefully we will overcome this one too and I would be all in...

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

The Framework is definitely on my radar for next laptop. I kinda want to wait and see how it pans out in the long-term, though. I'll be eagerly awaiting for the Gen 2 version of the laptop, or the "Framework Laptop - 1 year later" reviews.

For the moment, my Dell XPS 13 laptop from 2015 is still going strong, and I'd hate to ditch a brand/model that's been working reliably for me for six years for new-shiny thing from a company that might go under in a year.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by sneak »

tombert wrote: post #77
tshaddox wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually have any example of a corporation that makes laptops saying that it’s impossible to have slim laptops that are customizable? I would be very surprised if this ever happened, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.

You know, I can't think of a concrete example of that, when pressed, so it is possible this was just something repeated to me by coworkers and friends doing Apple apologia, and I just treated it as a truth. A quick Google doesn't appear to show Apple or any other corporation saying it, so I'll take the L on it. I think my overall point still stands. I still find it irritating that, until very recently, the only way t…

FWIW, I also remember this claim being made, but yes, it may have just been Apple apologists in comments, or perhaps Apple wrt the iPhone battery, ages ago.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

jeffbee wrote: post #67
tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

The Framework is larger and weighs more than contemporary machines that have larger displays (e.g. ThinkPad X1 Carbon 9th generation), and it has worse performance and shorter battery life because soldered-in RAM isn't some kind of scam, it's actually much better . In short, it was not a lie that you get smaller, lighter, and better laptops with integration. You do, in fact, get all of those things.

The Framework laptop is 1mm thicker and 200 grams heavier than the 9th gen Carbon. We've gone long past the point of diminishing returns when it comes to size/weight vs repairability trade offs.
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