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Re: iOS 15

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Someone1234 wrote: post #62
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #28

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And not funneling me out to install the awful Yelp app just to read restaurant ratings. :|

Agreed. Aside from my general distaste for Yelp and their business practices, it is also an objectively bad user experience. Makes me wonder if Apple made some exclusive Yelp agreement before Apple Maps launched, so they'd have good ratings data, and we have to wait for the agreement to expire before Apple can move on. To me it would make good market sense for Apple to fully compete with Google Maps and offer Apple M…

> offer Apple Maps on the web

If they wanted to, they could easily do that. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/mapkitjs:

“Use this JavaScript API to embed interactive maps directly into your webpages or apps across different platforms and operating systems, including iOS and Android. Like MapKit for native apps, you can also add annotations and overlays to the map to call out points of interest or user destinations.”

However, would that really give them more data? I would guess it would get a tiny fraction of the traffic that mapping apps would generate.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by privacyisntdead »

jonfw wrote: post #217
sneak wrote: post #156

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Meanwhile, after having every single major iPhone version since the original jesusphone, I'm switching from iOS to Android because I'd rather run out-of-date hardware and slightly more out-of-date software just to not have my phone spy on my local media contents for a remote master. Apple's days as a head-and-shoulders above clear winner are over.

You think switching from Apple to Google is a plus for your privacy?

Android != Google

Re: iOS 15

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Post by MikusR »

DanTheManPR wrote: post #58

Apple continues to support OS updates on the iPhone 6s, a device released almost 6 years ago. Nor is it reserved for their flagship models - the 2016 iPhone SE also gets the latest and greatest. Meanwhile, my flagship android phone from 2018, the Samsung Galaxy S9, is stuck on the last version of Android. At least it still gets security updates, some manufacturers don't even go that far.

On Android important software, like browser, is updated independently from the os.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by user-the-name »

privacyisntdead wrote: post #330
user-the-name wrote: post #267

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Google already does the exact same scanning of images that Apple has now delayed, so, uh, not exactly gaining much there are you?

It’s not the same scanning. Apple’s scanning is on device while Google and others scan for CSAM in their respective clouds.

And why does that matter? Apple scans images that are uploaded to iCloud. Google scans photos that are uploaded to Google Photos.

Exact same result.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

xeroaura wrote: post #14

Anyone that's been on the beta find any nice to have Safari extensions? And do these extensions also apply to (non-safari) apps using the webkit UI to render a page? Like content blocker applies to these as well as safari.

I just installed Amplosion. The fact that I can now get rid of that AMP bullshit completely makes iOS 15 a major upgrade for me already.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by GeekyBear »

tylerhou wrote: post #308
GeekyBear wrote: post #166

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> Run an on-device scan against a hash database. Using a technology shown to have very frequent collisions. Google and Microsoft have been scanning everything in your account against a hash database for the past decade. Also, unlike Apple's system which doesn't even notify Apple of the first 30 positive results (to protect you from the inevitable false positives) Google and Microsoft offer users no such protection. >…

Apple also has been doing this for photos uploaded to iCloud as they are not currently encrypted.

> Apple also has been doing this for photos uploaded to iCloud as they are not currently encrypted.

Nope. Google and Microsoft have been scanning your entire account for the past decade. Apple has not.

>TechCrunch: Most other cloud providers have been scanning for CSAM for some time now. Apple has not. Obviously there are no current regulations that say that you must seek it out on your servers, but there is some roiling regulation in the EU and other countries. Is that the impetus for this? Basically, why now?

Erik Neuenschwander: Why now comes down to the fact that we’ve now got the technology that can balance strong child safety and user privacy. This is an area we’ve been looking at for some time, including current state of the art techniques which mostly involves scanning through entire contents of users’ libraries on cloud services that — as you point out — isn’t something that we’ve ever done

https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-p...

Re: iOS 15

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Post by GeekyBear »

philwelch wrote: post #295
sneak wrote: post #175

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iCloud photos are not E2E encrypted. Apple has announced no plans whatsoever to make them such. Apple, their sysadmins, and the government can see every photo you have in iCloud. Apple had plans (and, an inside source tells me, an implementation) to do E2E for iCloud Backup, but the FBI asked them not to, so they scrapped it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv... This undermines the credibil…

Okay, so basically they are just sort of pinky-swearing that your iCloud photos are encrypted on iCloud, but not in any way that prevents Apple or the government from decrypting them anyway. This raises the followup question of "why bother scanning the images on-device?", but I can infer two fairly obvious answers. First, the encryption still keeps AWS/Azure/GCP from seeing my photos. Second, and more cynically, they…

> Okay, so basically they are just sort of pinky-swearing that your iCloud photos are encrypted on iCloud, but not in any way that prevents Apple or the government from decrypting them anyway.

How do you imagine that Google and Microsoft are able to scan the entire contents of your account? They can all read the data on their servers

>This raises the followup question of "why bother scanning the images on-device?

Because running the scan on device and encrypting the results protects users from having their account associated with the inevitable false positives that are going to crop up.

Apple can't decrypt the scan results your device produces until the threshold of 30 matching images is reached.

If someone issues a warrant to Apple for every account that has a single match, they can honestly report that they don't have that information.

Google and Microsoft give you no such protection. Any data held on their server is wide open for misuse by anyone who can issue a warrant.

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Post by beezischillin »

brundolf wrote: post #101
arenaninja wrote: post #94

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This is why I started buying iPhones. The resale value of a device after 2 years of usage is over 50% of the original cost if it's in good condition OEM quality is all over the place for Android, crapware is standard. It's been 4 years of iPhone for me and the only complaint I have is how bad Apple Maps can be

Apple Maps has been great for me, though I've heard the data quality varies widely based on where you live For me it's just a cleaner, simpler, less ad-infested version of Google Maps

I like the zoom level to information ratio a lot on Apple Maps, especially in the UK. It’s not very good in my country so I reluctantly use Waze instead when needed.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by nebula8804 »

DCKing wrote: post #256
DanTheManPR wrote: post #58

Apple continues to support OS updates on the iPhone 6s, a device released almost 6 years ago. Nor is it reserved for their flagship models - the 2016 iPhone SE also gets the latest and greatest. Meanwhile, my flagship android phone from 2018, the Samsung Galaxy S9, is stuck on the last version of Android. At least it still gets security updates, some manufacturers don't even go that far.

If in October 2013 you bought a just released Google Nexus 5, you would have had official updates until December 2016. At the end of support, you could have then bought the recent Google Pixel (1). And you would have had official updates until December 2019. A little over 6 years out of two devices is as good as it gets on Android, at least it's as good as it got in the mid-late 2010s. If in October 2013 you bought a…

>If in October 2013 you bought a just released Google Nexus 5, you would have had official updates until December 2016.

Wait a second are you sure about that? The last official version released was 6.0.1 which was released in October of 2015.

I remember this because the Nexus 5 was the phone that finally sealed the deal for me in leaving the Android ecosystem for good.

These "engineers" on the Android team did not QA their software so when I upgraded to 4.4.4, it broke the camera such that every video I recorded had messed up garbled audio. It totally ruined a special eurotrip where I had taken tons of video. I guess it was my mistake for trusting Google enough to update right before the trip started.

Anyway seeing that there is a section on Wikipedia devoted to all the hardware/software issues of the Pixel line, I think I made a wise choice to stop wasting my time with this ecosystem.

Went to a used iPhone 5S and ended up using that phone for 5 years. Was the best phone I ever owned.

Re: iOS 15

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Post by privacyisntdead »

GeekyBear wrote: post #213
KennyBlanken wrote: post #192

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Why should technology so bad it needs thirty mulligans have the power to completely destroy your life? And exactly how are they obligated to keep those policies? Answer: they aren't. There isn't some law saying '30 hits before we report you', and Apple is certainly going to drop the number as the public gets more used to the idea of CSAM. They'll keep dropping it until the news articles start coming out about how it'…

Again, Google and Microsoft have already been scanning everything on your account for the past decade without any such protections against incriminating users based on false positives.

Account is not the same as your device
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