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How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

why? what is the "benefit of elsevier"? beyond holding copyright to the work of others which they give away for free, what value addition does elsevier bring to the table that cant be done otherwise? if the argument is that they provide classification and other stuff, why cant you just dump everything on schihub and let people do the organization themselves?

remember a few hundred years ago, horse drawn carts were a big business but cars drew them to extinction. should we bring back horse drawn carts monopoly of the old just because they were something once?

on a sidenote, why arent authors and researchers publishing on scihub directly?

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by yardie »

judge2020 wrote: post #28
rramadass wrote: post #24

>“The way the publishing industry is functioning is unethical. Though what Alexandra Elbakyan is doing is illegal she is countering an industry that is working unethically,” 100% agree with this; Though i would dispute that what she is doing is "illegal". When the deck is completely stacked against you, going outside the rules is not "illegal". Every rational, educated person on this planet should support free access…

> When the deck is completely stacked against you, going outside the rules is not "illegal". Yes it is. Things are "illegal" when they're in the law book, regardless of which law they're breaking and what they're standing up for.

In quite a few US states anti-miscegenation laws are still on the books. You would hardly find a lawyer or judge to take the case but most haven't been removed, yet. If you told a interracial couple that what they are doing is "illegal" you'd rightly be laughed at.

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by commoner »

godelmachine wrote: post #30

I wish there was a way I could financially support Sci-Hub. The only impediment is they accept cryptocurrency and I am too lazy to get well versed with it. Not forgetting to mention the prices are currently through the roof, and TBH unaffordable for me. But just like I regularly support Wikipedia and USENIX with modest but periodic donations, I would like to support Sci-Hub as well.

> Not forgetting to mention the prices are currently through the roof, and TBH unaffordable for me.

Cryptocurrencies are divisible into tiny fractional units, so you don't have to buy a whole unit of a cryptocurrency to use it. While it is a small hassle to convert your currency to cryptocurrency before sending it, if you use an exchange like Coinbase, it's not much harder than transferring money to a different bank/investment account.

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by sampo »

xrisk wrote: post #21
jhgb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What prevents someone from putting entire data as torrent? What do you mean by that? It's already a bunch of torrents on the official SciHub page.

Can you point me to these torrents please? I can’t seem to find them.

https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/7084/bulk-downl...

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by CheezeIt »

yardie wrote: post #32
judge2020 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the deck is completely stacked against you, going outside the rules is not "illegal". Yes it is. Things are "illegal" when they're in the law book, regardless of which law they're breaking and what they're standing up for.

In quite a few US states anti-miscegenation laws are still on the books. You would hardly find a lawyer or judge to take the case but most haven't been removed, yet. If you told a interracial couple that what they are doing is "illegal" you'd rightly be laughed at.

That’s because there’s case law.

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by _bqot »

rramadass wrote: post #24

>“The way the publishing industry is functioning is unethical. Though what Alexandra Elbakyan is doing is illegal she is countering an industry that is working unethically,” 100% agree with this; Though i would dispute that what she is doing is "illegal". When the deck is completely stacked against you, going outside the rules is not "illegal". Every rational, educated person on this planet should support free access…

Isn't this double negation? If what the industry is doing is unethical and what Alexandra is doing is considered "illegal" in the eyes of that industry... wouldn't that make it actually legal and ethical?

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by spoonjim »

yardie wrote: post #32
judge2020 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the deck is completely stacked against you, going outside the rules is not "illegal". Yes it is. Things are "illegal" when they're in the law book, regardless of which law they're breaking and what they're standing up for.

In quite a few US states anti-miscegenation laws are still on the books. You would hardly find a lawyer or judge to take the case but most haven't been removed, yet. If you told a interracial couple that what they are doing is "illegal" you'd rightly be laughed at.

Still on the books is different from still having force of law. Supreme Court’s Loving v. Virginia voids all miscegenation statutes whether they are repealed or not.

Re: How Indian lawyers, scientists gave Sci-Hub its first legal defense team

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Post by jhgb »

xrisk wrote: post #21
jhgb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What prevents someone from putting entire data as torrent? What do you mean by that? It's already a bunch of torrents on the official SciHub page.

Can you point me to these torrents please? I can’t seem to find them.

If you look at https://libgen.rs/scimag/, on the top left, there's Download -> Torrents.
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