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Re: Home Price to Income Ratio

#31
These charts are not very useful without taking interest rates and inflation into account; in fact you could almost use them to discuss interest rates and inflation, they are so intimately tied to housing prices and income.

If housing interest rates stay low or drop, prices will keep rising. Absent wage inflation that ratio will go up.

If inflation flows through to wages as it seems to be in process of doing, the ratio will stabilize or drop.

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#32
While it doesn't directly affect the average person's purchasing power, the same dramatic increase is happening in other asset values as well. [0] One interesting thing to note is that 2019 EV / EBITDA values were already "high," before the coronavirus was spreading.

I suspect these two phenomena have different causes overall, but low interest rates are a common factor that cause all asset prices to increase.

On the housing side, I suspect consumers purchase the house that their cashflow can comfortably support, not necessarily the one where they believe it is correctly valued, because the assumption that house values only increase means purchasing a well constructed house is almost never a "bad deal."

I'm not sure what the "solution," is, but knowing that voters hate when their home values fall does not give me confidence that prices will decrease in the long term.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/953641/sandp-500-ev-to-e...

Re: Home Price to Income Ratio

#33
I appreciate this effort since this gets closer than reporting on house prices alone. As other's have pointed out there are a lot of significant factors being left out (e.g. interest rates). One of my favorite analysis is the historical chart on how many hours you had to work for an hour of artificial (candle, lamp, electric, etc.) light. I'd love to see this applied to housing, though housing is extra difficult because the quality has also changed immensely (indoor plumbing, electricity, etc.).

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#34
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Why do you consider the 2 examples you gave “draconian”?

Rent control really doesn’t make sense. If we could make things cheaper by passing a law we’d do it for everything. Rent control won’t work for the same reason a price control for food or cars won’t work. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/rent-control/

> If we could make things cheaper by passing a law we’d do it for everything.

Price controls for medicine are proven to work, based on single payer European systems. They cost cheaper and provide better outcomes than the US system.

Yet here we are.

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#35

One thing this ignores is interest rates and availability of credit. The biggest determinant of homes people buy is not the total price, but rather how much cash do they need for down payment, and what will the monthly payment be. With low interest rates and increased credit availability ( you don’t need 20% down payment in many cases now), people on the same income are actually able to buy a more expensive home. I t…

> The biggest determinant of homes people buy is not the total price, but rather how much cash do they need for down payment, and what will the monthly payment be.

I agree this is mostly how people decide, but it's not necessarily a good idea. buying a very expensive home at historically low interest rates is a significant risk. there's a good chance you get upside-down on that loan over a 15-30 year period. better hope you don't get divorced, lose your job, or need to relocate during that period.

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#36
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Why pay them more when they're content with what they get now?

I upvoted your comment because it clicked with me, but now I'm thinking about it more. _I'm_ content with my pay now, perhaps others aren't and there is little they can do about it. How might we even define "content" for a cohort as large as "anyone buying a house"?

No, trust me, people are content with renting a room and living month to month.

There's nothing to worry about.

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#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rent control really doesn’t make sense. If we could make things cheaper by passing a law we’d do it for everything. Rent control won’t work for the same reason a price control for food or cars won’t work. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/rent-control/

Some forms of rent stabilization make perfect sense. But most of the policies implemented in big cities are far too restrictive. There is a lot of policy to be explored between "your rent never goes up forever" and "you can't be immediately evicted for no reason". No one wants the latter, but there are better ways to address that, like much longer notices for rent increases, or requiring multi-year lease options.

Sounds feasible. I don’t normally think of that as rent control.

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#38

Simple the 50 year or 100 year mortgage. But really covid was the perfect opportunity to let the housing market collapse and reset buying us an additional decade. Wasted opportunity by bailing out landlords.

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#39

Some very clever and influential people better start finding and implementing real solutions to housing prices right now. If they don't, expect overwhelming support from Millennials for massive expansions to public housing and rent control, if not even more draconian measures.

Millenial homeownership is almost at 50% this year. The people priced out are the loudest, but it's not overwhelmingly common in most parts of the US.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rent control really doesn’t make sense. If we could make things cheaper by passing a law we’d do it for everything. Rent control won’t work for the same reason a price control for food or cars won’t work. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/rent-control/

> If we could make things cheaper by passing a law we’d do it for everything. Price controls for medicine are proven to work, based on single payer European systems. They cost cheaper and provide better outcomes than the US system. Yet here we are.

That’s a little different because we’re dealing with a monopoly which can raise prices above the market rate.

But you are correct that in those cases it can work well. Same with other monopolies like utilities.

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