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Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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Floating on sheepskin

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/travel/2012-11/15/content_1593...

"Sheepskin rafts can be traced back to the Han Dynasty (206 BC-AD 220), when soldiers used them to ferry men and goods during wars. Local residents in Lanzhou used them to shuttle passengers, fresh fruits and vegetables across the river."

Sheepskin raft becomes popular for tourists to sightsee along Yellow River in Gansu

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/31/c_138105617_9.ht...

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, a bag of air of that volume would not give much time underwater - maybe an extra breath or two. The extra effort and drag of carrying the bag would make it less effective than just diving. A modern steel SCUBA tank is typically pressurized to 200 bar, or about 3000 psi, making it 200x more useful than a bag. An inflatable ball is only inflated to about 0.5 bar/8 psig, human lungs are only capable of abo…

Swimming was quite common in ancient Mediterranean area societies. They even did a lot of breath hold free diving, hunting for sponges and shellfish. Modern swimmers probably are better than anyone in history. An optimal front crawl stroke technique isn't intuitively obvious at all. There have been significant improvements just in the last few decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_crawl#History?wprov=sfla...

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Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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I think it's interesting that he's shown swimming mostly nude but wearing a protruding hat which seems pretty impractical. Is the hat symbolic?

In certain societies (Thracians, for example) the type of hat and decorations on it would indicate the social status of the wearer.

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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I think it's interesting that he's shown swimming mostly nude but wearing a protruding hat which seems pretty impractical. Is the hat symbolic?

A related oddity - according to "Navies of the Napoleonic Era", Turkish ships had higher decks than was normal for other navies allegedly to allow for elaborate headgear, even though this actually compromised the stability of the ships.

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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post #15

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None of that is even close to correct. Are you a scuba diver?

Not regularly and only very shallow so my recall of the details isn’t great. But I do recall asking about even slower breathing and the response was it extracted more oxygen but wasn’t recommended due to the risks of disorientation. I think the 2x was in relation to failing to do slow deep breathing though. As a sanity check 6l of air per minute x 5minutes is 30l which is about the size of your torso. Assuming that b…

That's about the size of my torso, but I'm fat as hell. I suspect the average ancient swimming warrior was in better shape.

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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post #17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that is even close to correct. Are you a scuba diver?

Not regularly and only very shallow so my recall of the details isn’t great. But I do recall asking about even slower breathing and the response was it extracted more oxygen but wasn’t recommended due to the risks of disorientation. I think the 2x was in relation to failing to do slow deep breathing though. As a sanity check 6l of air per minute x 5minutes is 30l which is about the size of your torso. Assuming that b…

You're just so far off that I don't even know where to begin. Either the person you asked was completely confused, or you didn't understand what they told you. As a starting point I would recommend reading the US Navy diving manual.

https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/SUPSALV/00C3-Diving/Diving-...

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not regularly and only very shallow so my recall of the details isn’t great. But I do recall asking about even slower breathing and the response was it extracted more oxygen but wasn’t recommended due to the risks of disorientation. I think the 2x was in relation to failing to do slow deep breathing though. As a sanity check 6l of air per minute x 5minutes is 30l which is about the size of your torso. Assuming that b…

That's about the size of my torso, but I'm fat as hell. I suspect the average ancient swimming warrior was in better shape.

Unless your short your estimate seems odd. The torso is about 1/2 the volume of the average adult and people are close to the density of water of 1kg/l or 2.2lb/l. So 30l would be the expected torso volume of someone weighing ~60kg or ~130 lb.

Edit: “47% trunk and neck” so 40% torso would be 75kg and 165lb seems reasonable as a smaller person would also need less air.

Re: Assyrian soldier diving with an inflatable goatskin bag (ca. 865–860 BC)

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He's swimming on the surface. That bag would be too buoyant for diving.

Additionally, a bag of air of that volume would not give much time underwater - maybe an extra breath or two. The extra effort and drag of carrying the bag would make it less effective than just diving. A modern steel SCUBA tank is typically pressurized to 200 bar, or about 3000 psi, making it 200x more useful than a bag. An inflatable ball is only inflated to about 0.5 bar/8 psig, human lungs are only capable of abo…

Strictly speaking every 10m under water increases pressure by one bar. So elastic bag 10m under water would take up 2x less space.
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