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Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

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Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#31
A combination of:

* Post lockdown firing up of the economy

* No investment in nuclear

* Broken interconnect

* Winter is coming

* A spell of the doldrums

* Reliance on imported gas

* And last but not least, there's no hiding a debauched currency when you're using it to buy something the rest of the world needs too.

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#32
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Not building new nuclear power plants in the last 30 years was a major mistake, in terms of energy supply security as well as CO2 emissions.

That doesn’t make sense. Building new nuclear plants is among the most expensive forms of electricity generation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#33
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I do not quite understand why countries with large production such as France, which I remembered exported an interesting amount, seem to be hit severely (+50%). I thought they should have suffered less the unfortunate conjuncture.

My best guess is that the energy providers speculated on the energy trading market and lost, creating a huge gap. There's almost no risk for them, because when they win, they make a lot of profit, and when they lose they can just tell consumers there is a shortage in energy.

Ofc. this market is highly regulated, but if I understood correctly there's a lot of room in between the whitespace for interpretations.

(Note : Highly simplified explanation, in reality this will be implemented via leverage and derivatives, but I've consulted for an energy trading division a couple of decades ago.)

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

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post #6

Not building new nuclear power plants in the last 30 years was a major mistake, in terms of energy supply security as well as CO2 emissions.

That doesn’t make sense. Building new nuclear plants is among the most expensive forms of electricity generation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

Were those comparisons made with current prices for natural gas? Probably not.

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#35
Nord Pool has historical prices for a number of European countries:

https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-Pri...

In my country the price this month is around twice that of the historical average. Switching to a electricity plan last month that is based upon these prices, instead of fixed, probably wasn't a smart idea :D

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#36
It would take about 115k square miles of normal solar panels to cover the world energy use (23000TW), this translates to about 340 miles side square of land, I'm sure we could split this to various solar efficient locations and just close the deal with all this hydrocarbons Et al. BS. And can be solar parabolic-through systems instead of PV, no efficiency loss and night thermal storage built in. But of course we'll never unite and forget about profit and petty arguments just for once...World mechanics are just broken.

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#37
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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building more nuclear helps de-risk wind droughts. This isn’t specific to nuclear; building more of a different kind mitigates the risk.

Not really. NPPs as backup to wind would be horribly expensive. Wind droughts don't happen often; even the current price during them would not make a NPP pay off. What would make sense is larger local stores of hydrogen, to be burned in combustion turbines during the rare wind outages.

> What would make sense is larger local stores of hydrogen, to be burned in combustion turbines during the rare wind outages.

Would this work when there's little wind for a week or more?

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#38

The strike price for nuclear power from Hinkley Point C when it becomes operational will be £92.50/MWh. This has received a lot of criticism for being too high. With current wholesale rates at £385/MWh, suddenly Hinkley Point C doesn't look so expensive any more.

> £92.50/MWh

Index linked.

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#39
post #15
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, if you want: Not building twice as many (wind/anything) was a major mistake. Nuclear power plants fail sometimes, just like the wind fails. In 2016 almost a third of the plants in France were offline at the same time, some for planned maintenance, some unplanned, and the peak prices were higher than now. All these things are fixable by overbuilding enough. There's nothing special or magic about nuclear.

Building more nuclear helps de-risk wind droughts. This isn’t specific to nuclear; building more of a different kind mitigates the risk.

But if a country mitigates, e.g. by having many operators of different technologies, then consumers can hardly help noticing the price of nuclear. So the operators of nuclear plants end up having to explain ⓐ why they're expensive ⓑ that they are more reliable than the Japanese operators at Fukushima and c) why they still require public subsidy of their liability insurance.

Re: Why has the price of electricity in Europe reached record highs?

#40

In Austria, the price per kWh has quadrupled since May 2020, which is when I moved in to a new home. Unfortunately this [0] chart from my provider only goes back 12 months, but you can see even during this short time that the price increased from 5.81c per kWh to 12.43c per kWh, which is more than 200%. I checked some of my statements, and in May 2020 the electricity price was 3.13c per kWh, which represents an incre…

Still cheap compared to Denmark. I'm not one for optimizing my electric bill, so I've probably got a fairly bad deal by paying between 27 c/kWh and 34 c/kWh. 75% of the electric bill consists of fees to the state anyway, it's quite ridicules.

The upside is that these fluctuations are kind of mitigated and smoothed out.

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