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Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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There are still so many emotion loaded messages, while "Die Partei" keeps making fun of them: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-germany-dortmund-may15th20...

I always had to laugh out loud whenever I passed one of their Kançler posters https://www.nzz.ch/international/darf-man-eine-spass-partei-...

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty much only far-right parties that want to leave the EU nowadays.

That doesn’t mean this particular political claim is far-right ideology. If only the right-wing parties support nuclear power, does that turn nuclear power into something rightwing?

Neither the article nor the Wahl-o-Mat claim it would be far right ideology. The theses are to some extent chosen in a way to differentiate parties from another, not ideologies. This one just happens to work well for detecting/separating far right parties.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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The Wahl-O-Mat is also featuring state elections (it used to be only the federal election), and other teams (not government-funded) create similar tools for all kinds of votings: I recently came across a student parliament organizing such a tool for their upcoming elections.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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For me, the novelty of this tool has worn off. You have to select "answers" to all kinds of specific issues, even when you don't know any details or care about something.

Like "we should stop burning coal" - obviously we should, as fast as possible. But stopping tomorrow won't work, neither will treating every part of the country the same way. Is this the most urgent measure we can do for climate?

You just can't answer these questions without extensive research or following the usual news cycle. It comes back to clicking the answers you heard from your favorite party, around the sensational issues they're always discussing.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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> Others seem designed to detect far-right tendencies. “Germany should leave the European Union,” reads one. So if you're not neoliberal, you're far-right. Got it.

I find it amusing how quick stereotypisation happens. Many people instantly know how to categorize someone as right or left after hearing only one argument about certain topics like migration or environmental topics or EU. We need to leave these stereotypical thinking patterns and hear all sides. Without instantly classifying someone as left or right where after the classification parties stop even arguing amymore because they think they know what the opponent is going to say anyway.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty much only far-right parties that want to leave the EU nowadays.

The terms are also very culture-dependent. What's moderate in the US would probably be considered far-right in Germany.

That's not what I'm getting at at all in this case. The left in Europe tends to be highly critical of the EU, and advocates either reforming the EU radically to make it more democratic or, if that isn't possible, leaving it. This is often referred to as "soft Euroscepticism".

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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The biggest problem with Wahl-O-Mat in my view is that it only looks at what parties claim they will do, not their historical voting record. There had been some discussion around this topic this election cycle, so perhaps they will try to address it in future iterations.

The site deinwal.de tries to address this by letting you vote on past bills and then showing you who votes most similar to you. However, for opposition parties this doesn't work reliably since they'll sometimes vote against something if it doesn't go far enough or if they disagree with the implementation details, even if they agree with the general idea. Unless you read up on the vote, these nuances will be missed. I…

I am one of the creators of deinwal.de

Your description is spot on, although we tried to exclude votes where something did not "go far enough" for some parties.

AMA.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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Is voting based on matching your exact ideology a good idea? You could have a system where everyone has a party that represents their views exactly, but democracy is about compromise, which takes political skill. This should be a factor in voting.

In the UK, up until recently we had a pretty far left guy called Jeremy Corbyn in charge of Labour, the largest left wing party. I was pretty aligned with him on a his ideas but I thought he was completely ineffective as a political leader, and that he would never have gained the capital to get his own policies through. I was glad to see him gone.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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I hope not too many people base their voting decision on the amount of similarity they have in their answers with parties. The way questions are phrased do not always give parties a way to answer (Yes/No/Neutral) in the same way. As an example, 2 parties could both say No to a higher Co2-tax, but one of them does so because they claim climate change is a hoax, while the other one has a problem with it not being progr…

Great point, well made. I’d argue this is the reason for Burkean democracy, that there are too many questions with too many nuances to reduce it to multiple choice. Instead, you elect a person who you think has good judgement and leave them to do all the thinking on your behalf.

But of course this system gets abused, because electors don’t know who they can trust.

Re: Germany’s no-emotion voting guide surges despite campaign of personalities

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The terms are also very culture-dependent. What's moderate in the US would probably be considered far-right in Germany.

That's not what I'm getting at at all in this case. The left in Europe tends to be highly critical of the EU, and advocates either reforming the EU radically to make it more democratic or, if that isn't possible, leaving it. This is often referred to as "soft Euroscepticism".

Which left parties in Europe are advocating leaving the EU? I think these would be more hard-left than centre-left.
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