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Post by mhitza »

kafkaIncarnate wrote: post #152
ogurechny wrote: post #144

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This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has d…

More like pictures of modern child abuse, child slavery (IE: ownership, sale, etc), and brutal torturous murder. Basically anything you've thought of the NSA or other intelligence agencies intercepting, it was wide out in the open there. The types of things you'd see kids telling themselves about urban legends of the "darkweb", well, it was extremely real and in the open on Freenet...

You mean like the early 2000's 4chan random board?

Sarcasm aside, that experience sounds similar to what I've seen when trying out freenet way back.

On the other hand my I2P experience was quite pleasant (by just following the planet.i2p stream, basically an announcement site for new "registered" domains and torrents), with easy discovery of downloadable leaks, anarchist and conspiracy theorist blogs. Really felt like my 90s internet experience where I could find new and edgy content everywhere.

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Post by ta988 »

fwip wrote: post #149
ogurechny wrote: post #144

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This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has d…

I don't think "a copy of Mein Kampf" is the Nazi stuff they're talking about.

No I talk about neonazi stuff. Not books that nowadays are more part of history than anything else.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by dunnevens »

stavros wrote: post #97
fortran77 wrote: post #74

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I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”

Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (whic…

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Post by adamrezich »

midev wrote: post #184
adamrezich wrote: post #179

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if people get exposed to bad ideas, they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong, which is why free speech is more than unnecessary, it's downright evil. no, instead, we need governments and corporations to regulate speech, for the good of mankind. ...or so the thinking goes

> they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong History has shown this to be true over and over and over. We even have evidence to this: https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-f... Fake news travels faster and convinces more people than the truth.

you would rather truth be determined by governments or corporations than left up to individuals to decide for themselves?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by ogurechny »

kafkaIncarnate wrote: post #180
ogurechny wrote: post #163

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You forgot UFO parts for sale, bulk jenkem supply in railroad tank cars, and LSD application over screen oscillation, because you certainly was on something when you've seen those urban legends of the “darkweb” . By the way, I really hate meaningless spooky terms like “dark web” and “dark net”. I can still remember the time before journalists invented them.

No I did not mean that. I meant what I said, not whatever you read. Which one of us is on drugs is up for debate. I do not believe the NSA is sitting around studying X-Files. They largely are analyzing and investigating large quantities of child porn and exploitation from southeast asia, rape and abuse in the middle east, cartel executions and kidnappings, war crimes and African slave trade, organ harvesting in China…

Let's say someone decided to buy a child slave on a Central Slave Market on Freenet. He would have a problem with that 5 years ago. And also 10 years ago. And also 15 years ago. Why? Because there never was a Central Slave Market, and no one was selling child slaves.

Perhaps my memory fails me, and you have some links to fix my error? Please share. Before you say you can't remember the specifics, let me tell you that most freesites are still available (at least the pages in their root archives), and that Frost and FMS has archives of most public discussion that happened there, so it would not be hard to check whether something like this happened or not.

Anyone who took this trolling at face value should really reconsider trusting everything they read on the internet.

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Post by fortran77 »

noxer wrote: post #95
fortran77 wrote: post #44

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Nevermind "CSAM" and "right leaning" politics -- I can't even seem to find a place that will host the anti-obesity group that I used to enjoy reading on reddit. (It was removed by Ellen Pao when they cleaned up "hate groups".)

Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for violence or show violence, like gore content and terrorist videos do get removed. Everything else is fine (for now). Download the app from the website not form the stores to avoid googles censorship.

When the group was on reddit, I liked it because it was laser-focused. The moderators didn't tolerate racism, anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, antisemitism, sexism, etc.

On these other platforms, the users seem to think that, in the name of "free speech" everything is allowed everywhere. So on other platforms that tried to host it, it's full of off-topic posts. The don't respect the rights of a group of people to carve out an area for themselves.

Someone just needs to launch it on their own website, and hope the ISP doesn't pull it, or the DNS provider doesn't refuse to resolve it, etc.

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Post by fortran77 »

dunnevens wrote: post #193
stavros wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (whic…

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You see proved my point.

One man's hate group is another man's valuable discussion forum. Mocking people who won't take precautions against COVID is perfectly OK! Mocking people who won't take precautions against eating too much food is "hate."

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Post by lolthishuman »

midev wrote: post #184
adamrezich wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if people get exposed to bad ideas, they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong, which is why free speech is more than unnecessary, it's downright evil. no, instead, we need governments and corporations to regulate speech, for the good of mankind. ...or so the thinking goes

> they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong History has shown this to be true over and over and over. We even have evidence to this: https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-f... Fake news travels faster and convinces more people than the truth.

Maybe it’s because the education system has failed at critical thinking.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by sanity31415 »

cgtzczykldpq wrote: post #127
eptcyka wrote: post #85

Interestingly, Freenet hasn't migrated away from Freenode. Mind you, there is no affiliation between these two projects, AFAIK.

There is a merged pull request to migrate to libera.chat, it seems it just has not been deployed to the webserver yet: https://github.com/freenet/website/pull/98 I would blindguess that this was caused by Travis CI shutting down its free service for open source, the website was deployed using Travis IIRC.

This should be easy to set up with Github Actions, here is an example where it builds some Kotlin documentation and deploys to Github Pages: https://github.com/kwebio/kweb-core/blob/master/.github/work...

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Post by dunnevens »

fortran77 wrote: post #197
dunnevens wrote: post #193

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You see proved my point. One man's hate group is another man's valuable discussion forum. Mocking people who won't take precautions against COVID is perfectly OK! Mocking people who won't take precautions against eating too much food is "hate."

FPH actively went after individuals who could be easily identified. And they weren't content to keep their opinions in their own sub. Instead they would pop up regularly in completely unrelated discussions. They also had a culture of harassment.

They made themselves rather unpopular. If they had stuck to their own sub, made an effort to hide the identities of their targets, and mostly just said: "boy, I really hate fat people. So disgusting", then they'd probably still be around today.

Those are some key differences between FPH and HCA. Not to mention HCA is a response to the ongoing pandemic. While fatness isn't contagious. The obese are only hurting themselves.

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