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Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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The social proof that a couch surfing reference brought was second to none. Each one boils down to this "I, a stranger, stayed for a few nights in this other strangers home for free, and they were good human beings". That social proof carried to any part of the globe you visited. I cannot think of an internet app that brought people together in a more meaningful and wholesome way at scale. It was great while it laste…

I agree it's not the same, but AirBnB profiles with a long list of positive ratings as a guest play a similar role. "This person slept under my roof, acted well, and treated my home with respect". When I advertised my apartment for a sublet on Craigslist, I received a couple AirBnB profiles and considered them pretty compelling as references. I ended up subletting to one of those people, and they were great.

The dynamics are such that bad reviews are rarely given by host or guest. The flow is carefully tailored to produce this result. As a guest especially, why complain about a place you’ll never revisit when the payback could be a negative review of you that makes it more difficult to use the service?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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The social proof that a couch surfing reference brought was second to none. Each one boils down to this "I, a stranger, stayed for a few nights in this other strangers home for free, and they were good human beings". That social proof carried to any part of the globe you visited. I cannot think of an internet app that brought people together in a more meaningful and wholesome way at scale. It was great while it laste…

I am very much still living this, Couchsurfing got more difficult to use and a lot of people don't use it because of the so called "pay wall" but luckily alternatives are there and will hopefully with more posts like this get more traction... I like Trustroots most

Hey Chagai! Nice to see you on HN :)

How active are online meetups on Trustroots? It's nice to see that they do now exist, but I wonder whether the map limits it to people in the same geographical area. And I'l always be happy to see you on Thursday's BW Asia-Pacific weekly meetup.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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For surfers, I felt it wasn't just awareness of potential reviews that made it work. Before you surf, you describe yourself and then someone offers you their trust based on who they think you are.

That's pretty strongly bound up with your self image. You've described your character in writing. Most people will try hard to live up to that.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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> There was a massive spike in users on the site under Espinoza, but because they’d been attracted in part by an advertising push and there was an easier onboarding process, they were less committed and slower to adapt to the pay-it-forward spirit of Couchsurfing. Suddenly, there were a ton of people who were active surfers and relatively few who were actively hosting. So it started taking surfers longer to find hosts.

Organically grown communities are both more durable and more fragile. Durable if not tampered with or commercialized, fragile otherwise.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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> There was a massive spike in users on the site under Espinoza, but because they’d been attracted in part by an advertising push and there was an easier onboarding process, they were less committed and slower to adapt to the pay-it-forward spirit of Couchsurfing. Suddenly, there were a ton of people who were active surfers and relatively few who were actively hosting. So it started taking surfers longer to find host…

How does one protect something they love from commercialization?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Well "dating app" is a bit of a euphemism here for no strings attached sexual encounters since will be leaving soon, isn't it? Met guys who hosted primarily just for "easy hook ups", and am sure many woman enjoyed it for same reason. Nature of travel for most 20-somethings anyways.

That's what ruined it for me. Some time after AirBnB started, no one wanted to host my girlfriend and me as a pair. It seemed like all the people who just wanted to host travelers left for AirBnB and only the hookup-seekers remained.

As someone who used to host, I didn't like hosting couples because many a times they were absolutely not interested in having a "CouchSurfing experience", only looking for a free place to sleep. Also, since reviews were the currency for acceptance, it was hard to trust someone who just mentions their partner in passing, without linking to any profile. Same applied to people willing to bring friends along.

Both as a host and a surfer, I've always found solo experiences the best. Never had any hook-ups nor intended to, though I know many people who had.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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> That social proof carried to any part of the globe you visited. > I cannot think of an internet app that brought people together in a more meaningful and wholesome way at scale. It also carried over to friendships. For a few short months, I was one of the most active hosts in my city (mainly because we had a house with lots of space and all of my housemates were couchsurfers), until the landlord wanted to sell and…

It seems like for any tech company to be successful and sustainable it has to destroy the openness and community it was born from. I discovered couch surfing right as my wandering days came to a close and I feel I sorely missed out.

I think the destruction of openness is a reflection of the user they serve. When Airbnb serves only NYC they can be idiosyncratic to the population there, and their smaller user base is a more similar type of person.

Once at scale, they have to appeal to everyone in the addressable market, which is a very diverse set of people, which makes shared community and closeness harder (what do 100m people all have in common except superficially?).

They don’t kill the openness intentionally, it’s just a consequence of that fact that mass appeal is the opposite of tightknit

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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I couchsurfed through europe in the mid to late 2000s and had a great time. At the same time I was hosting a fairly popular flat in Glasgow. Half of our guests came through couchsurfing, the other half were word of mouth. Best experience was two italian climbers (who we met bouldering, not via cs) who ended up with tents literally set up in our lounge room on and off for a number of months. These guys were proper characters, just young guys who'd lost their jobs as bakers back home and had decided to "climb" scotland (in between stints at ours they literally walked and climbed their way up and through the very northern highlands). They had very little english and existed on a diet of stale donuts and nutella. Last I met them was on a trip to Venice (I was back in Australia by that point), one of them travelled down to meet my wife and I from his latest adventure setting a remote cave in the north of the country. By that point his english had improved immensely and we finally were able to have the conversations that were never quite possible in Glasgow.

Counter that with my worst experience. We accepted a request on CS from a young brazilian artist to stay for a weekend, over from her studies in Italy. I tended to make a point of accepting people with limited reputation ... I had some things I looked for, but generally if someone looked like they might not get first pick elsewhere we would accept them (non-english speakers with terrible profiles were the norm). In this case we were a little busy but thought she would be an easy, low-effort fit for the household. Especially since one of our roommates was also a (lovely and extremely outgoing) young brazilian artist. Our visitor arrived and seemed cool and relaxed; just in town to see the sights. So my wife and I did the usual and took her for a walk through some of the nicer parks and buzzier areas near the flat. One strange thing happened at this point (that I didn't pick up on at all) ... she was smoking, and making a point of talking about being a smoker. I don't smoke, but my wife later commented that it was obvious she wasn't a smoker. I thought it was odd but didn't question it. Anyway, long story short, by the end of the weekend the "visitor" had revealed herself as a stalker who had found our brazilian roommate through her public facebook profile and had begun an "art" project on her, which involved collecting her public photos and stories for a diary / portfolio, imitating her in her every day life, and finally tracking down her CS apartment through some very basic online sleuthing (our roommate wasn't mentioned in the account) and joining us for a couple of days. She rounded a couple of us up on her last day and admitted everything, including the bit about not being a smoker which hit me for six (because it had already been brought up!). She then went to our roommates work (a local bar) and laid everything out to her while she was working .. which led to our roommate being fired for literally losing it in front of everyone. She wanted to go the police but in the end we just reported the couchsurfer. A totally wild experience that was the beginning of the end of our glasgow hosting adventures.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what ruined it for me. Some time after AirBnB started, no one wanted to host my girlfriend and me as a pair. It seemed like all the people who just wanted to host travelers left for AirBnB and only the hookup-seekers remained.

As someone who used to host, I didn't like hosting couples because many a times they were absolutely not interested in having a "CouchSurfing experience", only looking for a free place to sleep. Also, since reviews were the currency for acceptance, it was hard to trust someone who just mentions their partner in passing, without linking to any profile. Same applied to people willing to bring friends along. Both as a h…

Yes, but that doesn't apply in my case. Both of us had plenty of recommendations independently. I'm pretty sure we would link to each other's profiles. More to the point, we didn't have trouble finding hosts as a pair for at least a year or two.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was well thought out too, hard to spam with fake comments etc. My family hosted people for a year or two and we were never empty. The appeal of a family home with a private room that had dozens of reviews from well travelled guests was so overwhelming people would take an air mattress in my study if the private room was taken by others. We regularly had multiple groups of people staying. Our record was 11 which in…

I love the "We somewhat casually freed someone from de facto slavery." anecdote. Made my day.

The ultimate humblebrag - I can't top that one!
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