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Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #33

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Pareto principle. 80% of people are decent human beings, but the 20% that aren’t cause 80% of the problems.

If only we had some kind of "credit score" but for social things..

On Couchsurfing we did. The problem was that it was ultimately under the control of a small group of people, and they sold out.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #67

Couchsurfing was too intrusive for me when i tried. It required somewhat nice and approchable picture of myself, with some interesting story to put on my profile This was just too much asked. Compare that to "pay N€, you can stay M nights" I picked second every time.

To be fair, that is, an small interesting story, IMHO, not much to ask for a stranger to open their place to another stranger. In the good old times, an story was not enough, you had to describe much more of yourself to help people trust you. That what CS did, created a global trusting metric. The free nights (that is exactly the symptom of not understanding the CS concept) on someone place was just part of the whole…

Everything is correct what you said. I am not cricizing CS, despite how my parent comment looks, I am just saying I clearly wasn't the target audience

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #49

A few developers from different HospEx (hospitality exchange) platforms (Trustroots, WarmShowers Android app devs, BeWelcome) started an attempt to federate the HospEx world. Mariha (@mariha:matrix.org) was contributing for Warm Showers Android App and with https://warmshowers.bike/ happening she kind of kick-started the whole project. We got funding recently from https://ngi.eu and with that we start to work for the…

What's the current spirit like? I've been not participating in CS2 or similar systems for the last decade or so.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Is one person out of five that you meet causing trouble?

Keep in mind, out of 25 people, one is causing 64% of the problems while the worst four besides that one are responsible for just an additional 16%.

> out of 25 people, one is causing 64% of the problems while the worst four besides that one are responsible for just an additional 16%

Also, if you have any influence over which 20 people you spend time with, they're probably the 20 out of 25 who are not those five.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #75
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only we had some kind of "credit score" but for social things..

The old Accidental Black Mirror.

The episode focused only on the downsides of this idea, not the upsides. And of course they chose the worst possible implementation to make the plot more juicy. With this attitude you can make any technology look bad.

If 20% of people cause 80% of the trouble and this idea fixes that, then perhaps there is some merit in the idea even if you consider the downsides.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #84

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Most likely it's a false friend, from a very similar Spanish word that means "commitment"

My mistake exactly. Now I realize with horror that I've been misusing this word all my life.

¿Cual?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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I honestly don't think the paywall was such a bad idea. The barrier to entry was too easy, there were too many people on the platform who had no intention of hosting and were just looking for a free place to stay. The very small contribution at least ensures some level of commitment.

The people who put up the paywall also had no intention of hosting; they were just looking for free money. They're the same kind of people you're complaining about, just orders of magnitude worse.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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I tried to use it once around 2005 while studying my PhD in the UK. I needed to stay in London for a couple of days but was rejected and couldn't find a bed. I ended up going into a Hostel (hostelworld) at that time. It didn't work for me (maybe because of my nationality?).

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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I tried to use it once around 2005 while studying my PhD in the UK. I needed to stay in London for a couple of days but was rejected and couldn't find a bed. I ended up going into a Hostel (hostelworld) at that time. It didn't work for me (maybe because of my nationality?).

From your web site, I guess you're Mexican? From growing up there, I know the US has pervasive racism against Mexicans; what's the UK attitude like?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #60

Airbnb ruined Couchsurfing because it changed social expectations around hosting strangers at your house. Before Airbnb, no one really even thought people would pay for the privilege to sleep on your couch or your spare bedroom. But once Airbnb started getting popular, I think a lot of hosts on CS were thinking well, this is neat, but I could get paid doing this. And a lot of CS guests became refugees from Airbnb thi…

I was an avid Couchsurfer and early AirBnB host. Initially AirBnB had a vibe very similar to Couchsurfing. Both seemed to lose the personal touch as they became larger networks. Money exchange is highly influential as well, but I don't think we can cross off network scale from the causes.

I think AirBnB was trying to have that vibe at the beginning. The problem is that you end up in a situation where that vibe doesn't scale. If you're trying to create a business worth billions, you need a lot more hosts and transactions than amateurs accommodate. An amateur might host someone for a few nights a month or a few nights per quarter. A professional is going to have an investment property that they're looking to book as much as possible and with the conveniences that make sure they get good ratings from guests.

I think a bunch of things have started out this way. Uber/Lyft: just people driving in their spare time to help people out and make a little spare cash. The problem is that if you're an app that just relies on people helping others out for a little spare cash, you don't have a lot of capacity. If you don't have a lot of capacity, you're just a cute niche thing that isn't worth much. So you end up relying on full-time drivers and you need to cater to them and figure out ways to attract and retain them. An pro driving 60 hours a week is worth a lot more than an amateur driving 4 hours a week every other week - 30x more. Likewise, a pro renting out an investment property 25 days a month is worth a lot more than someone renting a room in their house a few days a month.

I think you end up with a pivot from "oh, this is a cute thing with a little compensation" to something that's just a regular business.

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