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Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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Post by shadowgovt »

eitland wrote: post #149
shadowgovt wrote: post #129

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Pinephone is nowhere near feature compatible with either Android or iPhone platforms right now.

And neither of them are feature complete with Pine phone either which is the reason for this thread :-) Actually owning your own phone to the point of deciding yourself what runs on it and what does not and being able to repair it easily are two huge features when you start to think about it.

Unfortunately, if you ask the average user whether they want detailed control of what runs on their phone or a Facebook app, they're going to go for the Facebook app.

Most users don't have any utility in detailed control. They don't even know what to do with it.

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Post by gnull »

akho wrote: post #199
gnull wrote: post #179

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There is no dichotomy here. If you know the candidates beforehand, you can bully them before the election, see who wins nevertheless, and bully those again. > to have all 225 “recommended” candidates withdraw? Having some of them withdraw is also useful, it's a numbers game.

The candidates are known beforehand. Putin’s men do not need Navalny to tell them whether there is a popular candidate in an electoral district. Consolidation of “protest” votes does not make someone win an election; it gives a small extra push in contested districts.

You really don't see the difference between eliminating all the candidates (and all popular candidates) and eliminating one candidate per district?

Smart Voting™ creates these popular candidates in the districts where all competitors of Putin's guy are more or less equally popular. Knowing whom they will make popular is an advantage for Putin, don't you agree?

I have a feeling you're arguing out of stubbornness. My original point was that announcing the Smart Voting lists in the last moment can be useful, I think gave some good reasons for it.

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Post by thih9 »

squarefoot wrote: post #99
thih9 wrote: post #41

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What do you mean? Could you elaborate?

If a rabid dog attacks you, you won't save yourself by politely asking it to stop.

I still don't know what you mean; I was hoping for something specific (i.e. not metaphors or implied and unclear solutions).

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Post by maccard »

jsn wrote: post #190
maccard wrote: post #186

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Given this is an app for tacical voting over a 2 day period (which has now passed) all the adversary needs to do is block it for a couple of days. Dns blocking cloudflare for 2 days would pretty much stop this in it's tracks. (You are right about not requiring completely unique urls per user by the way).

No, it (again) doesn't work like this at all. 1) DNS blocking of cloudflare is useless, you can receive IPs, or names in non-cloudflare zones, 2) IP blocking of the whole cloudflare will bring so much collateral damage (unrelated services going down) that it's a non-starter, politically speaking, 3) cloudflare is far from the only mass frontend / cdn available, there are hundreds high-collateral services out there.

Sorry I misunderstood the fact that you were talking about sending IPs and not randomly generated dns name from cloudflare. My question was does this app use use a custom protocal, and I'd define a pseudo random IP provider over push notifications to be a cudtom prptovol.

This is a nation state suppressing information, I don't see why wholesale blocking services like cloudflare or any of the other possible options would be a non-starter, given it only needs to last for a weekend. There also doesn't appear to be any evidence that this app uses any of these techniques either as far as ive sedn.

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Post by varjag »

sneak wrote: post #48
varjag wrote: post #20

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Just say 'Taiwan' it's not hard. It's OK, HN is in America.

Taiwan is irrelevant to the point I'm making. As the Taiwanese people are acutely aware, if push comes to shove, that supply chain comes under the physical control of the CCP/PLA in single-digit hours (albeit in a nonfunctional state). The CCP has veto power over the production of all iPhones and iPads (and soon Macs) in the whole world. This has little/nothing to do with Taiwan, other than their unfortunate proximit…

Well you literally brought Taiwan into the point you were making.

(And no, Taiwan can not be taken in matter of hours).

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Post by NullPrefix »

542458 wrote: post #73
tandav wrote: post #10

- Google removes Navalny's team google document with "Smart Vote" instructions. - YouTube blocks videos with Smart Vote instructions. - Telegram blocks a bot with Smart Vote the instructions

I’m a bit surprised by the telegram one - I thought they were uncooperative enough with law enforcement to blow this off. Guess not?

Telegram is made by Russian entrepreneurs. Can you really expect them to not bend the knee for Putin?

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Post by thriftwy »

akho wrote: post #197
thriftwy wrote: post #164

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It could still allow for a few independent-ish senators via single mandate district system. If it is allowed to run fairly at least in some locales. Source: observing one.

Sure. How does this relate to the very late publishing of lists? Or to complying with “silent days”?

It doesn't. Merely a comment towards the state of electoral affairs.

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Post by thriftwy »

NullPrefix wrote: post #216
542458 wrote: post #73

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I’m a bit surprised by the telegram one - I thought they were uncooperative enough with law enforcement to blow this off. Guess not?

Telegram is made by Russian entrepreneurs. Can you really expect them to not bend the knee for Putin?

Definitely. A lot of Russians hate Putin's guts. For Russian enterpreneurs living outside Russia, you have to prove that.

It's the difference with e.g. Chinese expats who, as I expect, would usually be reasonably loyal to Chinese state.

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