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Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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A few developers from different HospEx (hospitality exchange) platforms (Trustroots, WarmShowers Android app devs, BeWelcome) started an attempt to federate the HospEx world. Mariha (@mariha:matrix.org) was contributing for Warm Showers Android App and with https://warmshowers.bike/ happening she kind of kick-started the whole project. We got funding recently from https://ngi.eu and with that we start to work for the…

Besides federation, are you setting up as platform cooperatives? (Info: https://platform.coop/, Example: https://fairbnb.coop/ )

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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I honestly don't think the paywall was such a bad idea. The barrier to entry was too easy, there were too many people on the platform who had no intention of hosting and were just looking for a free place to stay. The very small contribution at least ensures some level of commitment.

When I hosted (2008), we were very active hosts that summer and we basically required people to write personalised messages telling us who they are and why they like the sound of staying with us specifically. We got a lot of generic copy and paste messages and we ignored them, since we got so many messages. For about 3 months, we were hosting people almost every single day, often multiple people (and the most at once was 12, for a weekend while there was an event on).

This worked very well and the only "bad" experience we ever had was one of those 12 people that stayed the weekend of that event was.. harmless, but a bit unpleasant and odd, and that was because we relaxed our vetting a small bit for that event.

And honestly, I don't know if I would have paid for an account at that time, as an active host. I got into it because my housemates were into it and when we were planning on moving in together, we discussed it. If it had cost money to join, I can't imagine we would have bothered, certainly not all of 5 of us.

With that said, nowadays, I think some barrier to entry would make me feel more comfortable with it. Back then, in my early twenties, I was a bit more relaxed about sharing my personal space, I guess.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#54

I honestly don't think the paywall was such a bad idea. The barrier to entry was too easy, there were too many people on the platform who had no intention of hosting and were just looking for a free place to stay. The very small contribution at least ensures some level of commitment.

It isn't a bad idea per se, but it was contrary to everything many vocal coachsurfers stood for. It was a movement as much as a community, I knew lot of hosts that were mad about it because they felt they were monetizing not the service, but the trust network people built therein.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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There's Pasporta Servo, still going strong since way before couchsurfing was a thing. You need a moderate amount of implication, which acts as a sort of filter for people who only want to goof around. This can be either a good or a bad thing.

"implication"?

Autocorrect for Esperanto I guess.

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pareto principle. 80% of people are decent human beings, but the 20% that aren’t cause 80% of the problems.

Price's law: the square root of the population produces 50% of the trouble. Apply that to the US (328.2 million people) and we have that 18,116 individuals are responsible for 50% of problems. Mic drop

..are there 18,116 billionaires and near-billionaires?

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #19

WarmShowers still seems to work very well, with a spirit similar to the original CouchSurfing, though it is restricted to cyclists.

Warmshowers Uncensored is Tracking censorious actions taken by Warmshowers. https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2111860#

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pareto principle. 80% of people are decent human beings, but the 20% that aren’t cause 80% of the problems.

If only we had some kind of "credit score" but for social things..

Hello from China

Re: Paradise lost: The rise and ruin of Couchsurfing.com

#60

Airbnb ruined Couchsurfing because it changed social expectations around hosting strangers at your house. Before Airbnb, no one really even thought people would pay for the privilege to sleep on your couch or your spare bedroom. But once Airbnb started getting popular, I think a lot of hosts on CS were thinking well, this is neat, but I could get paid doing this. And a lot of CS guests became refugees from Airbnb thi…

I was an avid Couchsurfer and early AirBnB host. Initially AirBnB had a vibe very similar to Couchsurfing. Both seemed to lose the personal touch as they became larger networks. Money exchange is highly influential as well, but I don't think we can cross off network scale from the causes.
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