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Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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Considering Apple complied with this request, we can be absolutely 100% sure that they would never even consider complying with the request to abuse their “CSAM detection” system to find dissident content. I’m just so sure of it. They would never.

People will find a way to justify it. It is nothing new under the sun. Glances at 3310:)

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

#83

Considering Apple complied with this request, we can be absolutely 100% sure that they would never even consider complying with the request to abuse their “CSAM detection” system to find dissident content. I’m just so sure of it. They would never.

glances at pre-order

Tell me, which alternatives are you considering?

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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If Americans can ban their own opposition from their internet (Parler, Gab, and countless people blocked on mainstream platforms), then it's very hard to argue that the authoritarian Russian government shouldn't ban their opposition from the internet. Perhaps some on-chain solutions will help circumvent the American and Russian restrictions in a few years. Solana sounds like a good candidate for this sort of platform…

Parler isn't banned from the internet, it's banned from AWS and mobile app stores. These bans weren't ordered by the government either.

To me the negative aspects of censorship is not exclusive to governments. It is any censorship when it comes from the powerful controlling the powerless in order to maintain that power relationship. Government vs citizen is one form of power relation, but so is dominating market holder vs user. A third is infrastructure vs user.

Apple has decided to hold the power of being the gatekeeper of mobile apps. Every time they utilize that power they demonstrate the power relation that they hold over their captured audience. I could be cheering when I agree with their choice and get upset every time they do something which I disagree with, but in terms of power it the exact same thing. I rather choose to oppose the power itself.

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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lol bit rich calling Parler and Gab banned. They can easily buy their own servers and host it themselves. Or are you suggesting the government force AWS/Godaddy/Microsoft to host them?

If everyone cuts them off, yes! Free speech laws originally meant that you could stand on a street corner and rant freely (but no one was forced to listen). It did NOT mean that for a particular person all street corners were suddenly unavailable. We have many de facto monopolies here: Google prioritizes medium.com nonsense over private sites, app stores are monopolies etc. So while physical hosting and DNS providers…

Street corner, car dealership, soap box, sign printing...

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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telegram also removed bots from Navalny team which you could ask what non-ruling-party candidate has most chances to win, to facilitate "protest", tactical vote, much the same as the app would do. Telegram CEO cited some nonsense about "silent days" (why would he had obey them?) which are not even a thing with current 3-day voting in Russia. Many people agree Durov just got threaten that telegram app would be yanked…

“Silent days” are still a thing. The new bit is that the day before the election is not included, only the election days themselves. This prohibition makes sense to me. My personal opinion is that telegram’s actions are reasonable in this context. Navalny’s team fucked up by publishing their recommendations only on the 15th, two days before voting. I don’t understand that decision at all.

You have these "silent days" in most countries. When we have elections in France, we just look at Belgian or Swiss newspapers to see how the votes are going on. They do not care about these days, only French newspapers and media do.

Twitter does not, Facebook does not, Telegram does not - nobody cares except for France.

How is Russia different?

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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post #62

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lol bit rich calling Parler and Gab banned. They can easily buy their own servers and host it themselves. Or are you suggesting the government force AWS/Godaddy/Microsoft to host them?

If everyone cuts them off, yes! Free speech laws originally meant that you could stand on a street corner and rant freely (but no one was forced to listen). It did NOT mean that for a particular person all street corners were suddenly unavailable. We have many de facto monopolies here: Google prioritizes medium.com nonsense over private sites, app stores are monopolies etc. So while physical hosting and DNS providers…

Free speech laws mean nothing of the sort. Free speech also (generally) includes freedom of association. AWS should be Free to not associate with entities who do not meet their stated TOS.

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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glances at pre-order

Tell me, which alternatives are you considering?

Some alternatives:

- optional: keep the current phone and refuse to upgrade it (a few months)

- get a pinephone

- check compatibility and get a rootable Android phone

- dumbphone and pocket camera

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

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I don't know why people have such a hard time believing this. A 50 cent army to steer social media opinions is certainly a lot cheaper than aircraft carriers

The belief among technologists that censorship is a good thing is relative recent, and there is still quite a large number of people who still think that all censorship is bad when it comes from the powerful deciding what the powerless can see and do. The group that is against censorship is likely still angry with companies like Facebook, twitter, apple, and it makes more sense that it is those people who continue to…

People are under the illusion that we have free speech ,we do not!

We have LIMITED FREE POLITICAL SPEECH...big difference...the dark right prefers to lie to people and claim we have unfettered free speech.

Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app

#90
post #6

I'm pretty sure if this would be in Nazi Germany then Apple and Google would supply locations of the Jews. Because it was "illegal" not to. We are years away from the global fascists superpowers (with mass surveillance, AI, nuclear and bio weapons), but no one seems to care. Let's feed the beast even more.

There is a book about IBM's involvement in the Holocaust. Now, I have no illusion that Apple, Google, and co. would not do the same in the circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

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