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Mossad assassinated Iran’s chief nuke scientist with remote AI gun – report

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Post by throwaway245234 »

refenestrator wrote: post #121
true_religion wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Iran and Israel ever sign a peace treaty? In 2020, the UAE normalized relations with Israel, and many countries took the opportunity to remind everyone that even if we are all dying of COVID, they would prefer that Israel go first.

It's not fricking world war 2, no matter the technicalities.

If a country you're at war with and whose leadership has stated that they intend to annihilate you is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons, the stakes are arguably WW2-tier.

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Post by Aerroon »

yummypaint wrote: post #88
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard enough for the US and Russia to prevent accidental nuclear launch, detonation or loss. Many such incidents over the years. So, before you righteously wish nuclear capability on Iran, you might consider the non-linear increase in risks associated with each new entry into the nuclear club.

Yes, we need to collectively do everything we can to prevent a nuclear tragedy of the commons. That includes continued disarmarment of countries already armed. The more devices exist in the world, the higher the probability that some will fall into the hands of people who are not subject to the same incentive structures as secular governments (i.e. religious nuts) who would eagerly use them. One nuke being unexpected…

This is never going to happen because the current nuclear powers keep abusing their power to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine. They were effectively invaded and part of their territory annexed. There is nothing that can be done because Russia is a nuclear power. Or look at Libya or Iraq or Afghanistan. All of these invasions are backed by the threat of nuclear weapons.

It's not even too much to say that the only really sovereign countries are countries with nuclear capabilities or the ability to acquire them very quickly.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

dogma1138 wrote: post #128
pengaru wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel seems likely to receive a similarly smuggled-in remotely-activated attack, in the form of a small nuclear bomb, with no clear evidence of who's responsible. MAD doesn't seem effective if you don't know who to attack...

MAD can still be effective if you say any non conventional attack by any actor would trigger it. That said MAD in this case isn’t viable due to the inequality in geographic size and population. A single warhead even a small one would cripple Israel complete whilst Iran can take multiple warheads and survive. A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing.

>A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing.

At which point America would step in.

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Post by [deleted] »

sgregnt wrote: post #135
ianleeclark wrote: post #118

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> First, we used not to blaim anyone without a due process....before you take a stand and blaime Israel, instead maybe you should argue to send inspectors to examine if the article is true, maybe it is not Israel or this never happened, did you follow a due process before publically assigning guilt? If you want to say that something being reported by the NYT and corroborated by another paper isn't enough, feel free t…

You wrote: > we used to have inspectors to do such thing I understood it to mean that the inspectors would take care to prevent Iran nuclear weapons. Which I found to be a ridiculous claim but formally correct. The same way my claim that you should not trust NYT report in this case, before some due process is ridiculous. For Cuba, I was referring to missile crisis between USSR and USA. It is always good to be well re…

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Post by joelbluminator »

_fnhr wrote: post #9

So this is a public bragging about illegally putting a gun in a foreign country and assassinating a person, all the while being comfortably sure that no national or international pushback will come. Quite disturbing to read.

Ah yes. Are you also this indignant about Iran's interference with the Syrian civil war? Who knows how many people were killed because of their involvement.

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Post by joelbluminator »

pvaldes wrote: post #130
FridayoLeary wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's a nuclear scientist. Working on a nuclear bomb. For Iran. Wich is run by radical extremists. He's essentially a terrorist. Albeit one who goes around in a white lab coat as opposed to a machine gun and who has never harmed a fly but is more dangerous than the entire taliban put together.

> He's a nuclear scientist. He's essentially a terrorist. Not. The Mossad is the terrorist group here. Let me explain the situation more clearly. Lets suppose that a team in Iran would travel to US with the purpose of killing at cold blood a scientist working for the army, or in the NASA if you prefer. Would anybody doubt for a microsecond to tag them as terrorists commiting an act of terrorism?

Iran's involvement in the Syrian civil war probably cost hundred of thousands of innocent deaths, what is this bullshit like Iran is a peace seeking entity? And yes it's not just Iran but the Russians as well but Iran played a major part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syr...

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Post by joelbluminator »

flyinglizard wrote: post #53
_fnhr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This action was performed in a specific country - Iran. I am sure it was illegal there. Isn't that enough?

There are many things which are illegal in Iran yet practiced widely, like consuming alcohol or being attracted to your own gender. I wouldn't use the Iranian book of laws as a moral compass myself, but to each their own.

What are you talking about, according to the former Iranian president Iran has no homosexuals problem. See? Problem solved!

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Post by joelbluminator »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #12

So what is Israel likely to do when Iran has a working nuke? I ask as a half jew. These questions are intensely interesting to me. Probably "no one knows" is a decent answer, but I can't help but wonder what sort of plans are already in place. EDIT: I immediately regret asking about politics. Never mind. Hopefully things will work out.

As you said nobody knows. When Iran has a working nuke it's arguable too late. Then we should all hope there will be mutually assured destruction that will lessen the probability of war. Also - there will probably be countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt who will try to acquire nukes if Iran gets them. So I understand the thought this only touches Jews or half Jews but it really is a global problem.

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Post by joelbluminator »

dogma1138 wrote: post #128
pengaru wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel seems likely to receive a similarly smuggled-in remotely-activated attack, in the form of a small nuclear bomb, with no clear evidence of who's responsible. MAD doesn't seem effective if you don't know who to attack...

MAD can still be effective if you say any non conventional attack by any actor would trigger it. That said MAD in this case isn’t viable due to the inequality in geographic size and population. A single warhead even a small one would cripple Israel complete whilst Iran can take multiple warheads and survive. A 50 kiloton warhead detonated over Tel Aviv would reduce Israel’s economy to basically nothing.

It's really unlikely a nuke on TLV will be reciprocated with one nuke of the same exact magnitute on Iran; it's more likely Israel will use everything it has to destroy Iran. Tehran's larger metro area is 15 million people with most of the economy and jobs there. What do you think a few hydrogen bombs (which Israel is known to have) will do to Iran's economy or regime survival? It's mutually assured destruction, period. No side is gonna win a nuclear war.

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Post by pvaldes »

joelbluminator wrote: post #146
pvaldes wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's a nuclear scientist. He's essentially a terrorist. Not. The Mossad is the terrorist group here. Let me explain the situation more clearly. Lets suppose that a team in Iran would travel to US with the purpose of killing at cold blood a scientist working for the army, or in the NASA if you prefer. Would anybody doubt for a microsecond to tag them as terrorists commiting an act of terrorism?

Iran's involvement in the Syrian civil war probably cost hundred of thousands of innocent deaths, what is this bullshit like Iran is a peace seeking entity? And yes it's not just Iran but the Russians as well but Iran played a major part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syr...

Executions of helpless people 'just because I can' are a direct attack to democracy and aim to replace the justice system based in international laws by a bunch of serial killers. This is unacceptable and no excuses would fix it.

THIS is the real danger that we all face: justice is being replaced by serial killers and people is slowly but relentlessly being brainwashed to accept this as the new abnormal.

And then, here comes the harvest. We have exactly the same people, trained to kill without a glimpse by money, returning home and being videotaped coordinating an assault to kill your own politicians at the capitol for money because "justice is not working anymore so, zombie time". You reap what you sow. Yep, Genius move.

Israel should be ashamed of this measures that make them look as totally desperate and weak actors that are losing the battle to the point of 'win' a discussion by means of killing the other voices.

The only results that the terrorists bring to the table are reinforcing the will of Iran to have nuclear weapons even faster and probably destroying the life of a wife and some children, so is detrimental to its own interests also.

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