An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
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Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#2In the absence of anything else, the existence of RaTG13 seems like pretty reasonable circumstantial evidence of it being a lab leak. The lab had RaTG13 samples - so either the disease travelled a rather long way from Yunnan to Wuhan or someone in the lab was experimenting with the virus doing something interesting and novel.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#3We live in interesting times, where "conspiracy theories" become true after about 6 months.
The reality of the situation is that people who actually pay attention, not the ones who constantly watch the TV news narrative, have been able to not only understand the true origin of covid, but also predict the entire chain of events that has occurred as a consequence.
When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy theories as imaginary tales? They have been 100% accurate so far with covid.
People who follow conspiracy theories are not stupid - that's why they are looking for what actually happened.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#4It's so interesting to me that people can't even imagine that covid could be intentionally created and let out. Not a leak, not an accident.
Is it because people don't understand that actual evil exists outside of movies? That there are extreamly powerful people in the world that will throw babies into fires because they believe in occult entities? This is not imaginary.
We live in a world where very evil people exist in high places, but also a world where many more good people exist, but usually not in as powerful positions.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#5We live in interesting times, where "conspiracy theories" become true after about 6 months. The reality of the situation is that people who actually pay attention, not the ones who constantly watch the TV news narrative, have been able to not only understand the true origin of covid, but also predict the entire chain of events that has occurred as a consequence. When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy the…
> When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy theories as imaginary tales?
Covid leaked from a lab is viable. Bill Gates injecting microchips into everyone in order to invoke a new global cabal I would argue is firmly in the imaginary tale bracket.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#6We live in interesting times, where "conspiracy theories" become true after about 6 months. The reality of the situation is that people who actually pay attention, not the ones who constantly watch the TV news narrative, have been able to not only understand the true origin of covid, but also predict the entire chain of events that has occurred as a consequence. When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy the…
> When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy theories as imaginary tales? Covid leaked from a lab is viable. Bill Gates injecting microchips into everyone in order to invoke a new global cabal I would argue is firmly in the imaginary tale bracket.
So far, I agree. Nothing has been able to show microchips in the vaccines. If its there, it's using technology that is so far ahead of what's in the general domain that it's undetectable. It doesn't seem plausible at all.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#7It's so interesting to me that people can't even imagine that covid could be intentionally created and let out. Not a leak, not an accident. Is it because people don't understand that actual evil exists outside of movies? That there are extreamly powerful people in the world that will throw babies into fires because they believe in occult entities? This is not imaginary. We live in a world where very evil people exis…
If it were evil, they'd have tried harder. Which is also the argument against it being a bioweapon - most pathetic bioweapon ever if it was.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#8Does it even matter any more? From where I stand Covid-19 might have been much less devastating globally if it had been treated seriously in the early days.
In fact, based on the initial footage from Wuhan, countries should have adopted more stringent protocols when they repatriated their nationals, i.e. quarantine on arrival etc... If in doubt throw everything including the kitchen sink at just to be sure. But it is what it is. I just hope we've learnt from this and are prepared for the next one.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#9We live in interesting times, where "conspiracy theories" become true after about 6 months. The reality of the situation is that people who actually pay attention, not the ones who constantly watch the TV news narrative, have been able to not only understand the true origin of covid, but also predict the entire chain of events that has occurred as a consequence. When will the general public stop seeing conspiracy the…
> but also predict the entire chain of events that has occurred as a consequence
I wouldn't have agreed with you a year ago, but having seen it for myself, it's scary how true it is. All the wild "conspiracy theories" about the vaccine passport notably came to reality 6-8 months or so after being voiced.
Re: An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19
#10In the absence of anything else, the existence of RaTG13 seems like pretty reasonable circumstantial evidence of it being a lab leak. The lab had RaTG13 samples - so either the disease travelled a rather long way from Yunnan to Wuhan or someone in the lab was experimenting with the virus doing something interesting and novel.
My take is that there is sufficient motive for China not wanting it to be a lab leak. It opens up the door for blame and scrutiny, something the Chinese Government hates beyond all other things if we look at their profile of operation.
That alone, and doors that got closed when it came to researching the lab is suspicious.
Whatever it may be, the original sars had a solid origin within 6 months of research.