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Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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Sounds like you've read the OkCupid blog post that used to be online, before Match decided to buy OkCupid and censor them.

They were censored? How is this even controversial? Females have a biological incentive to be more choosy than men as their reproductive investment is much higher -- it seems obvious that the result is rational from a biological perspective.

> it seems obvious that the result is rational from a biological perspective

Only if you believe in the relatively modern human concept of two monogamous people being the only parents of a child.

Biologically speaking, a woman wants the sperm which will provide her the most survivable and resilient child, plus any number of other adults around who will help care for and protect that child.

This idea of a woman being choosy is a very new concept. You don't have to go back far in time at all to see where women had no choice at all (or look in some current cultures).

But if you go back further, or you go to places less touched by modern conventions, you find men and women of groups being generally sexual with each other, and being responsible for all the children in their group. This appears to be how humans survived and flourished for most of human history; or at least, it fits the existing evidence much better than the idea of a monogomous (and very 1:1 protective) couple.

Sure, if a woman knows she is only ever allowed to have one partner (and she's not allowed to be an equal participant in the world where income or resources are earned), she will choose the man more likely to guarantee that the basic survival needs are met or exceeded as much as possible. But she will still biologically seek the strongest, fittest, most genetically compatible and complementary man she can have sex with. From a modern human survival standpoint, this is the path of success.

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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post #81

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They were censored? How is this even controversial? Females have a biological incentive to be more choosy than men as their reproductive investment is much higher -- it seems obvious that the result is rational from a biological perspective.

> it seems obvious that the result is rational from a biological perspective Only if you believe in the relatively modern human concept of two monogamous people being the only parents of a child. Biologically speaking, a woman wants the sperm which will provide her the most survivable and resilient child, plus any number of other adults around who will help care for and protect that child. This idea of a woman being…

A woman takes 9 months to birth a child, and up until very recently had some serious risk during childbirth. The dude just has to shoot his load. This imbalance in reproductive investment predates modern human concept of monogamy.

> if a woman knows she is only ever allowed to have one partner

If each woman and each man can only choose one partner, i would expect the choosiness of men and women to become much more equal, because the reproductive investment of the man and the woman start to look a lot more equal (a lifetime investment for each). In reality we know that humans historically have not really been monogamous creatures, even in societies that are nominally so.

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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There is an approximately equal amount of men and women in the population. How is it possible that so many matches are "low quality" for women?

There was an OKCupid study that found that women on OKCupid rated 80% of men as below average. https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

Discovering that men 'over average' don't have problems to find women or are married yet, so don't need the services of the platform wouldn't be much of a surprise...

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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> He's offering prizes of up to $7,000 in value to anyone who can help him get a date, and ultimately, a wife. That's the gist of the article. I don't like online dating either. But this "social experiment" is just, I dunno, grimy?

He also plans to hand out the money after the wedding. It's all very... Transactional.

The transactional nature of it doesn't bother me. Plenty of cultures and people do arranged marriages and stuff like that. It's just, how he has a lottery for freelance head hunters, a bounty, it's gross.

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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I wonder what, if anything, will replace dating apps. As someone who tried dating apps for a while, I never had much luck with them. I ended up meeting my wife in person at the LGBTQ center at my college, we were friends for awhile, started dating, then got married a couple years later. I'm not sure what dating apps optimize for. It's easy to say "for hookups!", but it seems like a very low% of matches on those apps…

I think a largely unsolved problem is it's more satisfying to match than to re-kindle a conversation with a past match. The window after a match where a conversation can spark and lead to an offline interaction is fleeting and, once gone, it feels weird to re-message a past match.

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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The incentives of dating apps are all wrong for the daters. They want to maximize users, which means they want you to keep dating through the app forever. Finding you a great long term match is, from their perspective, losing a repeat customer . Ironically the old fashioned matchmaker who only took a fee after the wedding had much better aligned incentives.

>>Ironically the old fashioned matchmaker who only took a fee after the wedding had much better aligned incentives. And that, right there, is probably the key principle for a solid matchmaking app...

I wrote it in another older thread: Make a service that asks you for say $1000 USD upfront and then pays you back partially every month until you find a match.

Of course there must be logistics against anuse/fraud. But that would align incentives.

Re: Tired of dating apps, Vancouver man launches social experiment to find companion

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Ha! I second for okcupid. The only normal dating site (that allows indepth profiles) that I was able to find back in 2015-16. Never needed it since then, because I married a girl I met there)

Unfortunately okcupid has trended away from what it was 5+ years ago. My last SO was through okcupid right before they changed the incentives in the system. Now it has been driven towards the same swipe culture as all the other apps. Though you can still answer questions and write detailed profile... The system doesn't seem to promote that as much. My key gripe right now with how it is setup is that the only discover…

I really want to call out the technical founders here, Chris Coyne and Max Krohn, because they've done nothing but leave a legacy of abandoned products in the hands of untrustworthy companies: in the case of OkCupid they sold to Match.com which devastated the site committing it to the same wastebasket as Match.com's portfolio of other predatory dating products.

Then they created Keybase, which was fantastic, before selling out to Zoom. Development has all but stopped.

This style of hit and run get what's mine is endemic to SV. Nobody takes responsibility for the lasting legacy of the things they build.

OkCupid was a safe haven for people who really wanted something genuine. It had a culture-wide effect the same way that Tinder cemented hook-ups as the New Normal of dating. We need to start taking responsibility for the things we make that touch millions of people.

Chris' Twitter [1] professes his love for making things. Yes but you don't love being a good steward of the things you build.

[1] https://nitter.42l.fr/malgorithms

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