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Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by aierou »

briandear wrote: post #45
aierou wrote: post #42

I don't mean to go too much against the narrative in this thread, but aren't cameras on glasses necessary to achieve AR? Are people concerned about these glasses just because it's Facebook, or is there broader opposition to AR technology?

For me, it’s because Facebook. They have no track record of trust. I work for a significant Silicon Valley tech company and have seen up close the types of shenanigans that have been attempted by Facebook — especially with their mobile apps. Don’t trust them.

From my position, the mobile app shenanigans look like little more than intracompany politics. Where Facebook is not getting data, Apple or Google are still happily collecting.

Overall, I would guess that there is no track record of trust because expectations remain unclear. Concepts of privacy, data usage, and such didn't exist before Facebook and others. I suppose I am not eager to assume malintent outside what is standard for any business operating for the sake of profit.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by croes »

drclau wrote: post #29
croes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartphone aren't smart either.

They were when they appeared. That is, in comparison to the phones that existed at that time, which are now known as "dumb phones". Now, smartphones are the normal.

By that logic these smartglasses are smart

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by nitrogen »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #44
rvense wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard for me to articulate how this makes me feel. As someone who values anonymity and, for no particular reason, would prefer not to be photographed and have my movements tracked, I feel like I am being forced from public spaces. Regulated CCTV coverage of certain areas is one thing. This is untracked, unlimited surveillance by a private company whose goals and motives are completely removed from any semblance o…

If it wasn't Facebook, somebody else would or already is doing this. There's no escaping public CCTV in major cities nowadays. It's not nearly as regulated as you think and is also majority run by private companies. If you don't like this, changing the laws to ban public surveillance is the only option.

Aggregation, scale, visibility, and mobility change the risks. Quantity has a quality of its own.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by C19is20 »

ramphastidae wrote: post #32
siva7 wrote: post #23

So am i the only one where this would be social suicide wearing such things? Maybe someone can explain

Agreed. If someone I was with was wearing these, the conversation would end immediately.

...if you noticed them.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by macrolime »

aierou wrote: post #42

I don't mean to go too much against the narrative in this thread, but aren't cameras on glasses necessary to achieve AR? Are people concerned about these glasses just because it's Facebook, or is there broader opposition to AR technology?

These glasses have no AR though, just a camera.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by aierou »

e3bc54b2 wrote: post #50
briandear wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it’s because Facebook. They have no track record of trust. I work for a significant Silicon Valley tech company and have seen up close the types of shenanigans that have been attempted by Facebook — especially with their mobile apps. Don’t trust them.

> They have no track record of trust. Its worse. They have a consistent track record for asking for trust and then breaking it in most abusive way possible, then issuing a non-apology only after getting caught and then repeating same process all-over again. Oh, I forgot mentioning FB getting rich in the process, so it somehow becomes justified and has zero chance for change.

Aren't all recorded breaches of trust (outside of admittedly predatory data collection schemes endemic to the software industry) the result of unprecedented attacks on social networks as a construct? How would one anticipate such attacks?

I think it's fair to say that Facebook grew too quickly to mitigate the issues inherent to social networks at scale. I don't think that makes them abusive or evil, just naive.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by amelius »

aierou wrote: post #51
briandear wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it’s because Facebook. They have no track record of trust. I work for a significant Silicon Valley tech company and have seen up close the types of shenanigans that have been attempted by Facebook — especially with their mobile apps. Don’t trust them.

From my position, the mobile app shenanigans look like little more than intracompany politics. Where Facebook is not getting data, Apple or Google are still happily collecting. Overall, I would guess that there is no track record of trust because expectations remain unclear. Concepts of privacy, data usage, and such didn't exist before Facebook and others. I suppose I am not eager to assume malintent outside what is…

We should take away the incentive for these companies to abuse our data.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by billti »

aierou wrote: post #42

I don't mean to go too much against the narrative in this thread, but aren't cameras on glasses necessary to achieve AR? Are people concerned about these glasses just because it's Facebook, or is there broader opposition to AR technology?

For AR they will need some ability to interpret the world around them, but high res photography isn’t the only way. Think Lidar and the like already used to get a spatial understanding, or the infrared dots used in some face/body recognition. I expect that companies that are more “privacy” focus will avoid a camera, or at least any ability for apps to directly access the images from them if they do have them.

Re: Ireland raises privacy question over Facebook smart glasses

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Post by aierou »

macrolime wrote: post #55
aierou wrote: post #42

I don't mean to go too much against the narrative in this thread, but aren't cameras on glasses necessary to achieve AR? Are people concerned about these glasses just because it's Facebook, or is there broader opposition to AR technology?

These glasses have no AR though, just a camera.

If these were AR glasses first, would we have accepted the cameras as a necessary evil? If that is the case, then the concern seems superficial.
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