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A Pint a Day (1996)

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Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by Igelau »

mindvirus wrote: post #29

I'm allergic to beer, and it's the strangest thing. If I have one normal beer, the next day my face is flush and my eyes are red. Two and I've got a hangover and a runny nose. I'm not much of a drinker, but other alcohol doesn't affect me like this - a cocktail or two and I'm fine the next day. Bread and wheat doesn't seem to have negative effects, so I have no idea what it could be. Anyone else experience similar th…

> one normal beer

I mean, in the right setting, that could be a liter. Are you only drinking beer at Hofbräuhaus?

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by Igelau »

ManuelKiessling wrote: post #34
mindvirus wrote: post #29

I'm allergic to beer, and it's the strangest thing. If I have one normal beer, the next day my face is flush and my eyes are red. Two and I've got a hangover and a runny nose. I'm not much of a drinker, but other alcohol doesn't affect me like this - a cocktail or two and I'm fine the next day. Bread and wheat doesn't seem to have negative effects, so I have no idea what it could be. Anyone else experience similar th…

Although the lack of issues around bread and wheat seem to rule it out, I‘d still recommend having a check for celiac disease. Maybe do a trial with alcoholic yet gluten-free beer.

This study could be more rigorous. I volunteer for the control group as long as someone else is buying.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by Igelau »

dfee wrote: post #7
terminalcommand wrote: post #2

Another interesting thing I learned was beer cocktails. For example in the mid-west there is a cocktail called Red Beer, which is beer mixed with tomato juice. I understand that it is basically a bloody mary made with beer instead of vodka. I read that many people drink it as a breakfast meal before work. When you mix small amounts of alcohol in a high ball glass with other ingredients, it becomes even more healthier…

It’s very popular in Texas. In the East (towards Houston) it’s called a Michelada. Towards the west, I’ve heard it called red beer. It is delightful, and consists of about 50% beer and 50% secret mix (often Clamato, literally: clam and tomato mix). Or, tilt the proportions in either direction as you favor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelada

It might be delicious, but the concept of clam juice makes me want to barf.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by gruellan »

Studies on alcohol consumption are always flawed due to socioeconomic factors. Adults who can afford to have some beers or wine on an evening are more affluent, therefore are more likely to have private healthcare, can afford nutritious diets and are more likely to exercise regularly. Until we can find a way to control for these factors, studies into the health benefits of alcohol are very misleading

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by avereveard »

diarrhea wrote: post #37
stared wrote: post #30

"A drink a day makes your brain fog go away" See data from "The largest human cognitive performance dataset reveals insights into the effects of lifestyle factors and aging" https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2013.0029... In particular, the optimal cognitive test results were for ~1 drink a day (0 is worse than 3 drinks!). Also, 7h a sleep a day was the best. With a disclaimer: correlation is not caus…

I'm doubtful 7h of sleep a night and 1 drink a day can render a given individual more mentally able. I'd guess the causation is that the cognitively most able people just happened to average on these values. I sleep 8 to 9h a day and only have a couple drinks a month. 7h of sleep would likely mess with me, and I simply can't believe that a drink a day (alcohol, a poison that fogs the mind!) improves anything. Especia…

I cannot sleep above seven hours, is the darnest thing, I just wake up five in the morning if I go to bed at 23 and just cannot get to sleep before 22, and if I oversleep or get the pattern disturbed I feel groggy all next day

I think these study searching/advocating for a healthy averages kind of trick people into thinking their patterns are unhealthy, while it seems pretty clear that each person has its own way of functioning, either by environmental or genetic influences, and averaging them might give some insight but not any indication of what's best to each.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by ernopp »

Igelau wrote: post #43
dfee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very popular in Texas. In the East (towards Houston) it’s called a Michelada. Towards the west, I’ve heard it called red beer. It is delightful, and consists of about 50% beer and 50% secret mix (often Clamato, literally: clam and tomato mix). Or, tilt the proportions in either direction as you favor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelada

It might be delicious, but the concept of clam juice makes me want to barf.

Yep, it's not delicious.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by GuB-42 »

gruellan wrote: post #44

Studies on alcohol consumption are always flawed due to socioeconomic factors. Adults who can afford to have some beers or wine on an evening are more affluent, therefore are more likely to have private healthcare, can afford nutritious diets and are more likely to exercise regularly. Until we can find a way to control for these factors, studies into the health benefits of alcohol are very misleading

Cheap beer is cheap. Around a dollar a pint. The homeless drink beer because it is the cheapest way to get alcohol.

Even when we only consider the nutritious value, it is about 200 kcal/$, about as much as chicken. Not cheap but definitely not fancy.

Socioeconomic factors have to be taken into account, but I don't think the rich drink more beer, they just get better quality, and maybe in a bar rather than from a supermarket.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by jagger1345 »

mindvirus wrote: post #29

I'm allergic to beer, and it's the strangest thing. If I have one normal beer, the next day my face is flush and my eyes are red. Two and I've got a hangover and a runny nose. I'm not much of a drinker, but other alcohol doesn't affect me like this - a cocktail or two and I'm fine the next day. Bread and wheat doesn't seem to have negative effects, so I have no idea what it could be. Anyone else experience similar th…

Histamine?

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by yarcob »

mindvirus wrote: post #29

I'm allergic to beer, and it's the strangest thing. If I have one normal beer, the next day my face is flush and my eyes are red. Two and I've got a hangover and a runny nose. I'm not much of a drinker, but other alcohol doesn't affect me like this - a cocktail or two and I'm fine the next day. Bread and wheat doesn't seem to have negative effects, so I have no idea what it could be. Anyone else experience similar th…

I also can't drink most beer. I sometimes get a hangover and headache from just a single small beer (0.3 liter)

I found that I tolerate beers from some breweries better than others (the type of beer doesn't seem to make a difference).

I suspect that I am allergic to certain yeasts, but to be honest I have no idea.

Re: A Pint a Day (1996)

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Post by eurasiantiger »

isoprophlex wrote: post #28
eurasiantiger wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1541-4337... (See table 22) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1530-0277....

Interesting, thanks! So, these MAOIs are not present in the ingredients of beer/wine, but are instead thermally produced (probably some cyclization reactions involving tryptophan or tyrosine?) Anyway, judging by those tables the problem isn't unique to beer and wine; many other foodstuffs in there as well. And the doses are so low that I don't think you can conclude that beer consumption causes poisoning by monoamine…

The problem is not the MAO activity per se: although harman and norharman can cause essential tremor, depression and anxiety, as well as definitely worsen PTSD, some of the MAO-B-inhibiting Harmala alkaloids are beneficial in e.g. Parkinson’s disease. The problem is that the Harmala alkaloids include some neurotoxic ones that cause Parkinson’s disease, and it’s practically impossible to keep them from forming in the same process.
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