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Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the tax be enforced on cash, or is the elimination of paper money a second-order effect?

Inflation is the tax or negative interest rate on cash.

Why spend all this effort on direct taxation, when they can print the tax. Plus, inflation acts as a proportional tax. The more dollars you have the more the tax effects you.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#53
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are companies in Russia that specialize in providing shell companies to businesses. You can get a "reused" local company, an unique one, a company represented by a real person (no idea if that person is literally a fall guy, or just a legal fiction), probably off-shores too. Sounds like this might become a great startup idea in the US too ;)

Shell companies don't change anything. You can buy an aged shell, appoint nominee directors, etc. and it doesn't change the law. If anything, these things will only go to prove your intent to launder money and avoid tax if and when you're caught. While that's not to say that aged shells, nominee directors, etc. don't serve a purpose for certain people in certain situations, a lot of this stuff is just designed to enr…

The comment was that for the small guy, it's too expensive and complicated to set up these companies. Imagine if there was a cheap service that would allow the small guy to structure his business "just like the big boys".

Big companies use complex international structures to dodge taxes and regulations legally. Currently, there are no reasons to do that for a random small business; if there is, there may be demand. Kinda like people register their companies in Delaware even though it doesn't make "logical" sense; just to (legally) get the regulatory advantages.

This is speculation, obviously, based on the direction this goes with the account surveillance.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#55

The headline and article are misleading, the proposed requirement is to report annual inflows and outflows. Here is a better analysis... Biden Tax Plan Leans on Banks to Help Find Unreported Income https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-tax-plan-leans-on-banks-t... >The proposal would require banks to report annual account inflows and outflows to the Internal Revenue Service. The requirement would also extend to peer-to-…

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Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#56

The headline and article are misleading, the proposed requirement is to report annual inflows and outflows. Here is a better analysis... Biden Tax Plan Leans on Banks to Help Find Unreported Income https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-tax-plan-leans-on-banks-t... >The proposal would require banks to report annual account inflows and outflows to the Internal Revenue Service. The requirement would also extend to peer-to-…

How is the headline misleading? Banks would be doing the reporting and it would be a dramatic increase over and above the data they currently report.

Here's a statement by community banks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28562153

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#58
post #9

Result will be like we see in Russia: deals between US businesses will become deals between their offshores, and just enough money to pay salaries, will be moved into the country.

This is for personal accounts. Corporates are too expensive to go after.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#59
post #16

There may eventually be a slowdown of small business activity as ever increasing Panopticon-type surveillance proves a drag on innovation and profitability.

But there will be a huge increase in lawyers and accountants and lobbyists.

Re: Treasury Dept. Seeks to Track Transactions of Personal Bank Accounts over $600

#60
“Fair” enforcement of a legally-enforced tax system is impossible. A just system would be physically impossible to cheat, not legally precarious. Shifting that burden of legal compliance onto the individual is crippling for the society. The problem with ‘surveillance’ is that there is nothing positive about it for the productive honest people that have a lot to lose, and it’s really not much of a problem for the dishonest criminal with nothing to lose.

I don’t think it’s possible to have a fair income tax. It’s also irrelevant.

Bond issuance almost entirely funds the government already, it requires zero enforcement, zero taxpayer burden, and it’s impossible to cheat. Income tax is mostly an excuse for legal surveillance of other matters. Some of those might be reasonable and good, but the voters should decide that.

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